覃绵文 发表于 2007-9-24 16:04:00

怀满公仪像

<br/><br/><span style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">覃怀满,原藉山东青州府益都县人,生于元至顺二年。其父覃景山系元末起义军首领之一。覃怀满承其父志,高举义旗,聚众起义,号称</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">“</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">天下兵马大元帅</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">”</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">。后覃怀满率覃家军随明将廖永忠转战江淮,历经安徽、江西、到浙江的明州,明洪武六年,自海道经福州、潮州,再取东莞、梧州、浔州、邕州、宾阳,后移宜州德胜司入广西东兰。由于覃怀满平乱有功,明朝庭授覃怀满为东兰州世袭武官,留守东兰州,落籍于都彝哨。覃怀满生真贤,真圣、真仁三子,后裔子孙分播于桂、黔、滇二十多个县和今越南同登、谅山、高平等地。其后裔子孙也有百万之众,是覃氏一大重要支系。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;"><br style="mso-special-character: line-break;"/><br style="mso-special-character: line-break;"/></span>

越色僚人 发表于 2007-9-24 16:59:00

<font size="4">又是山东青州府,几乎所有的壮族土官族谱都声称山东青州府来的,貌似美丽但实在是拙劣的谎言,实在不足信也。</font>

覃绵文 发表于 2007-9-24 19:48:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>越色僚人</i>在2007-9-24 16:59:00的发言:</b><br/><font size="4">又是山东青州府,几乎所有的壮族土官族谱都声称山东青州府来的,貌似美丽但实在是拙劣的谎言,实在不足信也。</font></div><p><font color="#f73809">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 你这位贝侬的评论真是幼稚可笑至极,从你们的"姓氏民族论"也就是"姓氏基因论"可见你们知识浅薄和见识之短浅,按你们的理论来说北方的姓氏的人只能是汉人,不可能是其他民族的人了,如:王、李、杨、罗等等只能是汉人,不可能是其他民族的人啦,幼稚可笑至极!!你们可曾看到有报道春秋末期鲁国陬邑的孔子、三国的赵子龙等古代名人他们现在在欧美国家的后代的模样??我是看过的他们后代是欧美人种;你们可曾见到过王、李、杨、罗等姓氏有汉、壮、瑶等民族的人吗?我也见过;你们见过汉族人到我们壮族聚居的地方杂居后被壮族同化的例子吗,我也见过;你们见过壮族人到汉族聚居的地方杂居后被汉族同化的例子吗我也见过,尤其现在经济市场以后少数民族被汉族同化的现象更明显.</font></p><p><font color="#f73809">&nbsp;&nbsp; 你们可以想象从北方来到南方定居的男人们依当时的各种条件(如交通等)有可能或有必要一定要每一代、每一个男人都必须回到北方娶亲繁衍后代吗?真是荒唐幼稚可笑至极!!贝侬呀!!那是不可能的吧!!即使是现在交通好了也不可能那样做。只能是就地取材,按没有现在开放的当时来说入乡随俗是非常必要的,和当地民族融成一片,只有这样才会有人愿和你结亲,才能繁衍后代,这样一来经过几代,外来的极少数人就会被当地的绝大多数人所同化(包括:民族风格、语言、生活习俗等等),他们后代的基因越来越多是当地民族的基因。民族风格、语言、生活习俗、基因等等变了,对于有数千年一直是父氏氏族又有强烈的认祖归宗的中国人来说他们的姓氏不可能随着民族风格、语言、生活习俗、基因的改变而改变吧?</font></p>

发表于 2007-9-24 21:41:00

<p>楼主姓覃,想必是覃怀满的后裔。其实我也姓覃,但我从不相信家谱所谓谭姓改覃之类的传说。现在科学发达了,对自己祖上的血统有疑问的,大可去做一下基因鉴定,否则认错了祖宗就不太好了。</p>

山之凤 发表于 2007-9-24 21:42:00

楼主贝侬不用急!确实有一些汉族融入了壮族,但关于覃氏来源,一昧地相信祖籍山东,未必无懈可击,专家的考证会有结果的。
[此贴子已经被作者于2007-9-24 21:44:31编辑过]

季人 发表于 2007-9-24 21:48:00

<p>据《新元史·惠宗本纪》载:“己亥,惠州归善县贼聂秀卿,覃景山等作乱,江西行省左丞沙的以兵讨之。”<br/>而《续资治通鉴》载:“己亥,惠州归善县民聂秀卿、谭景山等造军器,拜戴甲为定光佛,与朱光卿相结为乱,命江西行省左丞锡迪捕之。”</p><p>惠州归善县位于现在的广东省惠州市。从以上记载来看,覃景山(谭景山)应该是广东人。</p>

覃绵文 发表于 2007-9-24 22:34:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>路</i>在2007-9-24 21:41:00的发言:</b><br/><p>楼主姓覃,想必是覃怀满的后裔。其实我也姓覃,但我从不相信家谱所谓谭姓改覃之类的传说。现在科学发达了,对自己祖上的血统有疑问的,大可去做一下基因鉴定,否则认错了祖宗就不太好了。</p></div><p>覃怀满活着的你已经采到他的基因样本留着了吗?</p>

覃绵文 发表于 2007-9-24 22:48:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>路</i>在2007-9-24 21:41:00的发言:</b><br/><p>楼主姓覃,想必是覃怀满的后裔。其实我也姓覃,但我从不相信家谱所谓谭姓改覃之类的传说。现在科学发达了,对自己祖上的血统有疑问的,大可去做一下基因鉴定,否则认错了祖宗就不太好了。</p></div><p>覃姓有许多善良人,在荒野发现了被遗弃的孤儿,不忍心就抱养做义子,这些义子的后代也就随覃得姓,如果你真是覃姓,也许也就是这一类的覃姓.说实在,你确实对覃姓的了解还没有达到"闭着眼睛摸到冰山的一角".对不起说重了,请见谅!!!</p><p></p>

覃绵文 发表于 2007-9-24 22:52:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>季人</i>在2007-9-24 21:48:00的发言:</b><br/><p>据《新元史·惠宗本纪》载:“己亥,惠州归善县贼聂秀卿,覃景山等作乱,江西行省左丞沙的以兵讨之。”<br/>而《续资治通鉴》载:“己亥,惠州归善县民聂秀卿、谭景山等造军器,拜戴甲为定光佛,与朱光卿相结为乱,命江西行省左丞锡迪捕之。”</p><p>惠州归善县位于现在的广东省惠州市。从以上记载来看,覃景山(谭景山)应该是广东人。</p></div><p>世界之大,无及不有.你能知道全国同姓同名有多少???????????????????</p>

好好瑟 发表于 2007-9-24 23:36:00

我也不相信我们覃姓是来自山东的,尽管族谱上也有这样讲~~但是我相信覃姓应该是一家!!哈哈

越色僚人 发表于 2007-9-24 23:45:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>覃绵文</i>在2007-9-24 22:34:00的发言:</b><br/><p>覃怀满活着的你已经采到他的基因样本留着了吗?</p></div><p><font size="3">基因测试不一定要采到他本人,从你们覃氏后人就可以采样,Y染色体南北相异,是不会因为气候和生活环境的影响而改变的,从现代人身上就可以知道是北人之后还是南人之后,这样也可以推测出这些现代人的祖先是北人还是南人。</font></p>

发表于 2007-9-25 00:13:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>越色僚人</i>在2007-9-24 23:45:00的发言:</b><br/><p><font size="3">基因测试不一定要采到他本人,从你们覃氏后人就可以采样,Y染色体南北相异,是不会因为气候和生活环境的影响而改变的,从现代人身上就可以知道是北人之后还是南人之后,这样也可以推测出这些现代人的祖先是北人还是南人。</font></p></div><p></p>而且,如果能确定墓主,那么从墓中取出遗骨,还是有可能提取其中的基因的。

发表于 2007-9-25 00:20:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>覃绵文</i>在2007-9-24 22:48:00的发言:</b><br/><p>覃姓有许多善良人,在荒野发现了被遗弃的孤儿,不忍心就抱养做义子,这些义子的后代也就随覃得姓,如果你真是覃姓,也许也就是这一类的覃姓.说实在,你确实对覃姓的了解还没有达到"闭着眼睛摸到冰山的一角".对不起说重了,请见谅!!!</p><p></p></div><p></p>看来楼主还会算命,不,比算命更厉害,还没见过我,就可以断定我是“这一类”“抱来的义子的后代”,真是佩服之至,佩服得连绵不绝。只是做人要厚道,乱认祖宗就不太好了!现代的科学技术可还远没发达到掐掐指头就能算出自己的基因的地步的!

季人 发表于 2007-9-25 00:23:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>覃绵文</i>在2007-9-24 22:52:00的发言:</b><br/><p>世界之大,无及不有.你能知道全国同姓同名有多少???????????????????</p></div><p></p><p>我确实不知道在元末究竟有多少个叫覃景山或谭景山的起义军首领。如果你知道,不妨说说看。</p>

季人 发表于 2007-9-25 00:35:00

<p>其实广西民族研究院研究员覃圣敏教授在《上林覃氏宗族志》一书中曾对“覃怀满”进行过一番考证,他的结论是:</p><p>“可以认为,覃怀满是真有其人,但他的来源目前尚未清楚;说他原名叫谭山耀,其父为谭景山,景山父为谭端,为南宋理宗朝人,祖籍在山东,这些则是编造的,所以漏洞百出。”</p>

[此贴子已经被作者于2007-9-25 14:37:02编辑过]

好好瑟 发表于 2007-9-25 01:01:00

楼主也应该学习学习的~~对于这种族系来源不能一口断定的,广泛收集社会资料再做一个概论来探讨得出的结果应该会更真实可信一些,研究讨论不要伤了和气啊~~

山谷散人 发表于 2007-9-25 11:16:00

<p>这些族谱假的太多了!</p>

山谷散人 发表于 2007-9-25 11:18:00

<p>我姓黄,我家族谱就说我家祖先和覃怀满是拜把兄弟!</p><p>呵呵!</p>

覃绵文 发表于 2007-9-25 13:52:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>路</i>在2007-9-25 0:20:00的发言:</b><br/><p></p>看来楼主还会算命,不,比算命更厉害,还没见过我,就可以断定我是“这一类”“抱来的义子的后代”,真是佩服之至,佩服得连绵不绝。只是做人要厚道,乱认祖宗就不太好了!现代的科学技术可还远没发达到掐掐指头就能算出自己的基因的地步的!</div><p>看来你真是一个孤陋寡闻之辈,我还真非得把一段县志录下让开开眼界不可了,看后还是不信的话,自己就去翻翻看吧.</p><p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 广西《上林县志》中的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">“</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">民族志</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">”</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">记载:覃三耀(又名覃怀满,亦作山耀、三孝),生于元至</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">J</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">帧二年(</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">1331</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">年),原籍山东青州府益都县。为起义军首领覃景山之子。覃景山去世后,三耀继承父志,高举义旗,继续聚众起义,称</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">“</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">天下兵马大元帅</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">”</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">,带了一支覃家军随明将廖永忠征南,明洪武元年(</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">1368</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">年),白海路经福州、潮州,再取东莞、梧州、浔州、邕州、宾阳,后移宜州德胜司入东兰。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;"><br/><br/></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">由于韦天珍、覃怀满平乱有功,明朝廷授韦天珍为东兰州世袭知州,覃怀满为世袭武官,留戍东兰州,落籍于都彝哨(今广西东兰县大同乡那雅村)。韦氏土司实行军政合一的封建领主世袭制,土司除了直接占有和经营部分土地外,按哨封给韦氏宗族和覃、黄、龙等姓官兵。这支覃家军又分出一支继续进军西藏,为明朝统一边疆立下汗马功劳,后来落籍盐井(今西藏自治区盐井县)。据四川省大足县的人说,近邻四川省的西藏自治区边境还有覃氏居民。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;"><br/><br/></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">覃怀满在东兰生真贤(维昭)、真圣(维真)、真仁(维彦)三子,后裔繁衍黔、滇、桂</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">20</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">多个县及越南同登、谅山、高平等地,人数有上百万。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">1990</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">年出版的河南省《浚县志》记载,该县</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">100</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">人至</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">1000</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">人的姓氏有覃、毛、程、友、齐、霍、侥等。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">1993</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">年出版的河南省《武陟县志》记载该县的姓氏有</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">……</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">简、覃、靖、蒯、蒿、福、熊、雏、裴、谭</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">……</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">等</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">414</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">个。浚县屯子乡席营村《覃氏族谱》记载,明代初年,覃家子弟兵随反对元朝的起义军南征,南方平定后,又北上。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;"><br/><br/></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">一同征战的还有席姓和张姓的兵,打到大名后,回故土落籍,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">
                </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">因为席姓先到,所以当地就叫席营村(距前文所述的古白马县白马坡</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">10</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">多公里),朝廷将</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">300</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">亩耕地,另</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">3</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">亩</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">4</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">分坟场地赏给覃大义等有功人员,世代免纳粮,这个待遇,到解放前还为历代政府所承认。明代,覃氏中出现不少人才,其中较著名者有覃应元,字德芳,四川云阳县人,明嘉靖进士,知河南府。他以德感召下属及群众,平息匪乱,整肃地方治安,政绩突出,升任四川副使。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;"><br/><br style="mso-special-character: line-break;"/><br style="mso-special-character: line-break;"/></span></p><p></p>

越色僚人 发表于 2007-9-25 14:18:00

<font size="3">当代的县志,是每个县政府的县志办的工作人员编纂的,而这些工作人员大都是没有经过史学、民族学等专业培训的,本身就称不上学术界的人,其学术休养不见得比广西民族研究院研究员等专家高,更何况县志里许多关于人物的传记很多都是依据民间漏洞百出的家谱族谱来编纂,其结论是否完全可信也就可想而知了。反观历史上历代府州县的地方志书,反而没有象现代当代的县志那样轻易的相信土官以及民间的家谱族谱声称他们的祖先是北来的,而是依据正史的记载来对这些家谱族谱提出质疑,反而比现代当代的县志严谨多了。</font>
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