“巴都”在壮语里是什么意思？[僚人家园]——壮族、布依族、岱侬族共同论坛『Naeuz Vahraeuz 僚语论丛』

称最发表于 2010-10-26 20:19:00

“巴都”在壮语里是什么意思？

<img src="attachments/dvbbs/2010-10/2010102620171317890.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /> 在电影《拳霸》中，主演叫天巴都，，，“巴都”是不是门口的意思？

FangHFupyin 发表于 2010-10-26 21:15:00

“巴头”是basdauz=baqdaeuz，那“巴都”应该是bastu=baqdu吧

桂西布依 发表于 2010-10-26 23:21:00

在我看来，巴都有可能是“门口”，也有可能是“我们这边"的意思

僚园星火 发表于 2010-10-26 22:13:00

可能是 “bakdu门口”吧，毕竟音译的汉字不什么准确。

FangHFupyin 发表于 2010-10-27 15:48:00

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mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">老<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">”<span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">为大者、最长者。<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">“<span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; 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mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">大首领<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">”<span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">、<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">“<span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">大长老<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">”<span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">的意思。（来自《壮学丛书》总序）<span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">这样“巴都”应该是baqduz才是，而德靖语就是bastu了，<span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">而baqdaeuz可不是从汉语音译来的，baq应该有“爸爸、父亲”之意吧，<span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">所以“巴头baqdaeuz”应该有“第一个爸爸”的意思。<span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">“门口”应该是bakdou吧！

称最发表于 2010-10-27 17:28:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder">以下是引用FangHFupyin在2010-10-27 15:48:19的发言： <span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;;">《隋书<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;mso-fareast-font-family:宋体;;">.<span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;;">地理志》说<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;mso-fareast-font-family:宋体;;">“<span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;;">俚人并铸铜为大鼓<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;mso-fareast-font-family:宋体;;">……<span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;;">有鼓者号为都老。<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;mso-fareast-font-family:宋体;;">”“<span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;;">都老<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;mso-fareast-font-family:宋体;;">”<span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;;">是壮语记音，<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;mso-fareast-font-family:宋体;;">“<span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;;">都<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;mso-fareast-font-family:宋体;;">”<span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;;">含<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;mso-fareast-font-family:宋体;;">“<span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;;">人<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;mso-fareast-font-family:宋体;;">”<span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;;">义，<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;mso-fareast-font-family:宋体;;">“<span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;;">老<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;mso-fareast-font-family:宋体;;">”<span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;;">为大者、最长者。<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;mso-fareast-font-family:宋体;;">“<span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;;">都老<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;mso-fareast-font-family:宋体;;">”<span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;;">是<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;mso-fareast-font-family:宋体;;">“<span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;;">头人<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;mso-fareast-font-family:宋体;;">”<span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;;">、<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;mso-fareast-font-family:宋体;;">“<span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;;">大首领<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;mso-fareast-font-family:宋体;;">”<span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;;">、<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;mso-fareast-font-family:宋体;;">“<span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;;">大长老<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;mso-fareast-font-family:宋体;;">”<span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-ansi-language: en-us; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-fareast-language: zh-cn; mso-bidi-language: ar-sa;">的意思。（来自《壮学丛书》总序）<span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-ansi-language: en-us; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-fareast-language: zh-cn; mso-bidi-language: ar-sa;">这样“巴都”应该是baqduz才是，而德靖语就是bastu了，<span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-ansi-language: en-us; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-fareast-language: zh-cn; mso-bidi-language: ar-sa;">而baqdaeuz可不是从汉语音译来的，baq应该有“爸爸、父亲”之意吧，<span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-ansi-language: en-us; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-fareast-language: zh-cn; mso-bidi-language: ar-sa;">所以“巴头baqdaeuz”应该有“第一个爸爸”的意思。<span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-ansi-language: en-us; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-fareast-language: zh-cn; mso-bidi-language: ar-sa;">“门口”应该是bakdou吧！</div>这个“巴都小学”在都安，，，应该用都安壮语去解释。

称最发表于 2010-10-27 17:32:00

“巴都baqduz”看来应该是“坡头”

僚园星火 发表于 2010-10-28 21:56:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder">以下是引用FangHFupyin在2010-10-27 15:48:19的发言： <span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;;;">《隋书<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-FAMILY: ??; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;mso-fareast-font-family:宋体;;;">.<span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;;;">地理志》说<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-FAMILY: ??; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;mso-fareast-font-family:宋体;;;">“<span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;;;">俚人并铸铜为大鼓<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-FAMILY: ??; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;mso-fareast-font-family:宋体;;;">……<span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;;;">有鼓者号为都老。<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-FAMILY: ??; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;mso-fareast-font-family:宋体;;;">”“<span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;;;">都老<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-FAMILY: ??; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;mso-fareast-font-family:宋体;;;">”<span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;;;">是壮语记音，<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-FAMILY: ??; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;mso-fareast-font-family:宋体;;;">“<span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;;;">都<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-FAMILY: ??; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;mso-fareast-font-family:宋体;;;">”<span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;;;">含<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-FAMILY: ??; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;mso-fareast-font-family:宋体;;;">“<span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;;;">人<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-FAMILY: ??; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;mso-fareast-font-family:宋体;;;">”<span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:en-us;mso-fareast-language:zh-cn;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;;;">义，<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-FAMILY: ??; 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mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: en-us; mso-fareast-language: zh-cn; mso-bidi-language: ar-sa;">的意思。（来自《壮学丛书》总序）<span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: en-us; mso-fareast-language: zh-cn; mso-bidi-language: ar-sa;">这样“巴都”应该是baqduz才是，而德靖语就是bastu了，<span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: en-us; mso-fareast-language: zh-cn; mso-bidi-language: ar-sa;">而baqdaeuz可不是从汉语音译来的，baq应该有“爸爸、父亲”之意吧，<span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: en-us; mso-fareast-language: zh-cn; mso-bidi-language: ar-sa;">所以“巴头baqdaeuz”应该有“第一个爸爸”的意思。<span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: ??; mso-hansi-font-family: ??; mso-bidi-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: en-us; mso-fareast-language: zh-cn; mso-bidi-language: ar-sa;">“门口”应该是bakdou吧！</div>门=du,这是横县的北壮音。个人认为可以通过现场地理考察，看是否地形符合门口的意思。
[此贴子已经被作者于2010-10-28 21:57:56编辑过]

hacdu 发表于 2010-10-29 11:34:00

是bak dou（du）的话就是门口

lx122672 发表于 2010-11-19 11:36:00

罗勋发表于 2010-11-19 10:43:00

我的家乡与都安好近。巴都我的理解应该是“平顶之山”（byadoeg），byabyaidoeg 的简称。我们村也有一座叫这名的山。

度莫发表于 2010-11-20 09:55:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder">以下是引用lx122672在2010-11-19 11:36:46的发言： 亏你们是壮语大师，这个都不懂？很明显，应该是少数民族小学。我们这里可能指的是苗族，在我们这叫做“把馁”。</div>用汉语记录的，不能反映壮语原来的真正字音，就算“你们是壮语大师”还是一样“亏”。“巴”可能对应壮语的“口bak”，也可能是“山bya”。

告如广西 发表于 2010-11-29 07:42:00

“巴都”是不是，汉意：崖堕

heavenchris 发表于 2010-11-29 01:46:00

我是大新的，巴都在我们这里有两读即bakdu门口，phadu，门前，梦火塘里也有一句pha du kha tha naem rei 门前溪水流淌。。。

c636 发表于 2013-6-8 23:44:57

豆粉mbaj duh

heavenchris 发表于 2013-6-26 14:00:56

这要看是那个地方的壮语了~~~大新方言巴都相近的有：bak du门口，pya dog陡崖，pya tou 大山，pya du 门山等。。。。

土人香草 发表于 2013-6-26 21:20:51

可能是象门一样的山吧。

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“巴都”在壮语里是什么意思？