明代河池土司--覃炮墓
<p dir="ltr" align="left" style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px;"><br/></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center;"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 28pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 13.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">覃</span></b><b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 28pt; COLOR: black; mso-bidi-font-size: 13.5pt;"><font face="Times New Roman"></font></span></b><b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 28pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 13.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">炮</span></b><b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 28pt; COLOR: black; mso-bidi-font-size: 13.5pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">
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mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">覃炮，又名覃宝、覃晋，系覃企望之四子、覃怀满</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">①</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">之玄孙，生于明代弘治六年（公元</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">1493</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">年）九月十二日，卒于嘉靖三十三年（公元</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;"> 1554</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">年）八月二十九日。根据广西各地族谱记载，覃炮曾任三旺六里堡目，亦称土司。三旺六里即三旺、安边、江边、镇南、光岩、古云等六里，明清时期属设三旺分州，管辖范围相当于现在的广西河池市金城江区</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">②</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">之三旺、长老、下考、九圩、保平以及都安县下坳等乡镇。<span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">覃炮生有大春、大冬、大税、大立、大里五子，其后裔主要分布在广西河池市金城<span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">江区及东兰、巴马、都安、大化、南丹、环江、宜州、罗城、天峨等县市，尚有部分后裔落籍国内其他省市和旅居国外，是定居河池覃氏的始祖之一。覃炮逝世后安葬于河池市金城江区九圩镇大河口三端坡上。该墓是一座双层古墓，占地面积约</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">200</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">平方米，而且建筑结构奇特，工艺水平相当高，历经四百五十余年，至今仍保存完好，在广西境内实属罕见。该墓的发现和保护，对于研究当地历史和覃氏历史内涵具有较高的人文价值。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">2005</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">年</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">3</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">月</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">16</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">日，政府已将其列为重点文物单位。<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">注：</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black;"><font face="Times New Roman">① </font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">覃怀满原名谭三耀，系山东青州府益都县人氏，元末义军首领之一，明朝初年随军南下平定西粤（即今广西），之后因故改名覃怀满并定居当地。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black;"><br/><font face="Times New Roman">② 1983</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">年，河池县改为河池市（县级），</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black;"><font face="Times New Roman">2002</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">年，河池市升为地级市，原县级河池市又改为金城江区，属于河池市管辖。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black;"><br/><br/><font face="Times New Roman">(</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">图文系覃崇耀提供</span><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black;">)</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: black;">
<p></p></span></font></p></span></span></span></span></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">注：</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black;"><font face="Times New Roman">① </font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">覃怀满原名谭三耀，系山东青州府益都县人氏，元末义军首领之一，明朝初年随军南下平定西粤（即今广西），之后因故改名覃怀满并定居当地。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black;"><br/><font face="Times New Roman">② 1983</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">年，河池县改为河池市（县级），</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black;"><font face="Times New Roman">2002</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">年，河池市升为地级市，原县级河池市又改为金城江区，属于河池市管辖。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black;"><br/><br/><font face="Times New Roman">(</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">图文系覃崇耀提供</span><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black;">)</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: black;">
<p></p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center;"><span><p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;"></span></span></p></span></p> <p>又来个祖籍山东.....</p> <div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>覃绵文</i>在2007-9-22 10:04:00的发言：</b><br/><p dir="ltr" align="left" style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">覃怀满原名谭三耀，系山东青州府益都县人氏，元末义军首领之一，明朝初年随军南下平定西粤（即今广西），之后因故改名覃怀满并定居当地。</span><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: black;"><br/><p></p></span></font></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center;"><span><p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;"></span></span></p></span></p><p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;"></span></span></p><p></p></div><p>怀疑。</p> <p>有一点偶想不通</p><p>为什么祖籍都山东而不是河南、陕西、山西等中原地方？</p><p>因为山东有孔子？</p> <p>三旺及周围乡村于明清时为东兰州所管辖，未见有三旺分州之说，覃炮可能是管辖三旺六里的土目而已。覃氏祖籍山东的说法实为牵强附会。</p> <div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>布楼</i>在2007-9-22 11:09:00的发言：</b><br/><p>有一点偶想不通</p><p>为什么祖籍都山东而不是河南、陕西、山西等中原地方？</p><p>因为山东有孔子？</p></div><p></p><strong>恐怕古人（特别是做点小官的）最忌讳的就是别人说自己“没有文化”的“蛮夷”了，或者说山东显得有文化！呵呵……</strong> <p>我也这样想的</p><p> </p><p>这种墓</p><p>这种石碑</p><p>在我们僚区比较盛行</p><p>其实都是后人修建滴</p><p>人们都相信祖宗能保佑子孙飞黄腾达</p><p>另外有钱修墓的家族感觉好像很有面子</p><p>这样比较“光宗耀祖”</p><p>呵呵</p><p> </p> <p>是山东也不奇怪啊~~~山东以前也许就是壮族人的天下!!!哈哈~~开个玩笑!不要见怪!</p><p>这是很重要的历史见证。。很好的记载资料。。。僚人都应该好好的研究一下，为什么在明朝的石碑上记载的还是祖籍山东呢！！？？</p><p>政策覃姓始祖。。。。</p> <p>是不是真的祖籍山东啊！</p> <div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>好好瑟</i>在2007-9-22 23:40:00的发言：</b><br/><p>是山东也不奇怪啊~~~山东以前也许就是壮族人的天下!!!哈哈~~开个玩笑!不要见怪!</p><p>这是很重要的历史见证。。很好的记载资料。。。僚人都应该好好的研究一下，为什么在明朝的石碑上记载的还是祖籍山东呢！！？？</p><p>政策覃姓始祖。。。。</p></div><p>哈哈</p><p>瑟瑟美女看多</p><p>眼花了</p><p>上面的石碑是一九九七年滴</p><p></p> <p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 仿宋_GB2312; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">上图<span lang="EN-US">1：06年2月，曾经有幸与广西考古研究所的考古学家去考察过覃炮土司墓。哈哈，旁边的两位MM也在学考古。</span></span><br/></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 仿宋_GB2312; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">上图<span lang="EN-US">2：楼主说的不错，</span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 仿宋_GB2312; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-font-size: 13.5pt; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">2005<span>年</span>3<span>月</span>16<span>日，政府已将其列为重点文物单位。</span></span><span></span><br/></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 仿宋_GB2312; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">上图<span lang="EN-US">3：楼主介绍说：“</span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 仿宋_GB2312; mso-bidi-font-size: 13.5pt;">该墓是一座双层古墓</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 仿宋_GB2312; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">”。这是进入墓底层的入口。考古学家揭开盖口从该入口进去考察，发现已经是空的了……</span><br/></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 仿宋_GB2312; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">上图<span lang="EN-US">4：10楼的贝侬说：“上面的石碑是一九九七年滴”的确不错。但墓旁遗留的石刻确是明代的风格。</span></span><br/></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><br/><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 仿宋_GB2312; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">上图<span lang="EN-US">5：5楼的贝侬如是说：“三旺及周围乡村于明清时为东兰州所管辖，未见有三旺分州之说，覃炮可能是管辖三旺六里的土目而已。”看了简介内容,这种说法应该不错。</span></span></p>
[此贴子已经被作者于2007-9-24 3:44:28编辑过] <p><font color="#f73809"> 众贝侬的评论真是幼稚可笑至极,从你们的"姓氏民族论"也就是"姓氏基因论"可见你们知识浅薄和见识之短浅,按你们的理论来说北方的姓氏的人只能是汉人,不可能是其他民族的人了,如:王、李、杨、罗等等只能是汉人，不可能是其他民族的人啦，幼稚可笑至极！！你们可曾看到有报道<font color="#f73809">春秋末期鲁国陬邑的</font>孔子、三国的赵子龙等古代名人他们现在在欧美国家的后代的模样？？我是看过的他们后代是欧美人种；你们可曾见到过王、李、杨、罗等姓氏有汉、壮、瑶等民族的人吗？我也见过；你们见过汉族人到我们壮族聚居的地方杂居后被壮族同化的例子吗，我也见过；你们见过壮族人到汉族聚居的地方杂居后被汉族同化的例子吗我也见过,尤其现在经济市场以后少数民族被汉族同化的现象更明显.</font></p><p><font color="#f73809"> 你们可以想象从北方来到南方定居的男人们依当时的各种条件(如交通等)有可能或有必要一定要每一代、每一个男人都必须回到北方娶亲繁衍后代吗？真是荒唐幼稚可笑至极！！贝侬呀！！那是不可能的吧！！即使是现在交通好了也不可能那样做。只能是就地取材，按没有现在开放的当时来说入乡随俗是非常必要的，和当地民族融成一片，只有这样才会有人愿和你结亲，才能繁衍后代，这样一来经过几代，外来的极少数人就会被当地的绝大多数人所同化（包括：民族风格、语言、生活习俗等等），他们后代的基因越来越多是当地民族的基因。民族风格、语言、生活习俗、基因等等变了，对于有数千年一直是父氏氏族又有强烈的认祖归宗的中国人来说他们的姓氏不可能随着民族风格、语言、生活习俗、基因的改变而改变吧？</font></p> <p>古代越人男子全都死光了</p> <div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>布楼</i>在2007-9-24 20:23:00的发言：</b><br/><p>古代越人男子全都死光了</p></div><p>你不就是一个吗？况且现在的壮族并非全都是姓覃．</p> <div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>覃绵文</i>在2007-9-24 20:51:00的发言：</b><br/><p>你不就是一个吗？况且现在的壮族并非全都是姓覃．</p></div><p>你去问问看，</p><p>还有哪个姓不是从山东来？</p><p>姓韦比你姓覃“光荣”多了</p><p>东兰州土司</p><p>山东来的</p><p>还是韩信的后代</p><p>韩信是哪里人？</p><p></p><p></p> <div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>布楼</i>在2007-9-24 21:09:00的发言：</b><br/><p>你去问问看，</p><p>还有哪个姓不是从山东来？</p><p>姓韦比你姓覃“光荣”多了</p><p>东兰州土司</p><p>山东来的</p><p>还是韩信的后代</p><p>韩信是哪里人？</p><p></p><p></p></div><p>你能了解覃姓多少?你知道覃姓除了覃怀满宗支之外还有多少个宗支吗?你知道其他的宗支他们也说他们也从山东来吗?</p> <div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>覃绵文</i>在2007-9-24 21:35:00的发言：</b><br/><p>你能了解覃姓多少?你知道覃姓除了覃怀满宗支之外还有多少个宗支吗?你知道其他的宗支他们也说他们也从山东来吗?</p></div><p></p><p>偶这里就有一支覃姓，本人也姓覃，而且来历也跟楼主的说的差不多，都是从谭姓过来的。最初说是与是韩姓的朋友（韩信后人？）受大汉朝庭迫害一起从湖南来逃难来的。后来韩姓的改成了韦姓，谭姓的改成了覃姓，还附会了一个蚂蚁成坟的的传说。但是这个说法近几年那此老古董自己也觉得难以自圆其说了，于是迁来的年代被改成了明朝，说至今有14代了。</p><p>其实蚂蚁成坟的传说最初是出现在唐代柳州的一个清官刘蕡的身上，不知我的祖上何时盗用过来了，呵呵，不好意思。</p> <div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>布楼</i>在2007-9-23 12:40:00的发言：</b><br/><p>哈哈</p><p>瑟瑟美女看多</p><p>眼花了</p><p>上面的石碑是一九九七年滴</p><p></p></div><p>世界上有哪个死人能为自己立石碑的?你们家族能耐再大也未必能做到这一点.</p> <p>我们这里还有另一支覃姓，说是从柳江县迁来，他们堂上供的居然是莫一大王（写作莫依大王），值得研究。</p> <div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>路</i>在2007-9-24 22:01:00的发言：</b><br/><p></p><p>偶这里就有一支覃姓，本人也姓覃，而且来历也跟楼主的说的差不多，都是从谭姓过来的。最初说是与是韩姓的朋友（韩信后人？）受大汉朝庭迫害一起从湖南来逃难来的。后来韩姓的改成了韦姓，谭姓的改成了覃姓，还附会了一个蚂蚁成坟的的传说。但是这个说法近几年那此老古董自己也觉得难以自圆其说了，于是迁来的年代被改成了明朝，说至今有14代了。</p><p>其实蚂蚁成坟的传说最初是出现在唐代柳州的一个清官刘蕡的身上，不知我的祖上何时盗用过来了，呵呵，不好意思。</p></div><p>这就是你所了解的覃姓？？？？？？？？？真是荒唐透顶！！！！！！！！！！！！</p>