不知贝侬们注意到没有,进入我们僚人家园的贝侬,大部分都还是壮文盲。我们口口声声说要极力推行壮文,就连我们这些民族文化的热心人都不肯学,还有什么资格要求其他贝侬学呢?我们论坛里的情况,也许就是壮族地区推行壮文的缩影吧?! 我还是在其它贴子里说过的那句话:学用壮文,从我做起。
Mbouj rox gyoengq beixnuengx haeujsim mbouj,gyoengq beix nuengx daeuj Ranz Bouxraeuz neix,dingzlai cungj mbouj rox Sawcuengh.Raeuz coenzcoenz cungj naeuz yaek aeu haenqrengz doihengz Sawcuengh,hoeng doengh boux ndatsim minzcuz vwnzva neix cix mbouj haengj hag Sawcuengh raeuz,lij miz gijmaz swhgwz yiugouz gyoengq beixnuengx wnq hag ne?Gij cingzgvang ndaw lundanz dangqnaj,lauheiq couh dwg aenngaeuz diegcuengh doihengz Sawcuengh ba?! Gou lij dwg naeuz coenz vah youq dieb wnq gangj gvaq haenx:Hag Yungh Sawcuengh,Daj Gou Guh Hwnj.
当然,我还是支持学壮文,怎么说它都是我民族的语言,网上开通后,我也报名,我也学!
下面引用由zzhc在 2004/02/25 09:23am 发表的内容:
反对这种极端主义!!
下面引用由lwgyungh在 2004/02/24 09:07pm 发表的内容:
一、壮语(壮文)要比英语容易学得多,要容易几倍,几十倍。
二、学会了壮语壮文,至少可以在僚人家园里和贝侬们交流。
据我观察和了解,学习拼音壮文的学生,包括研究拼音壮文的人员,即使有明显的功利目的(如考试),也没有几个人能够认认真真地读完一篇象样的拼音壮文资料。
I have similar experience in learning Sawcuengh. I spent less than five hours on learning the basic rules of Sawcuengh and now I can read and write some Sawcuengh. If you speak Cuengh, it is easy to learn Sawcuengh. As you read more and more Sawcuengh, you may like it and then you may want to talk with our Cuengh friends here in Sawcuengh. The first thing you need to do is learn Sawcuengh.
Sawcuengh is much easier to learn than English. If more and more well-educated Bouxcuengh start learning and using Sawcuengh, there will be hope for the development and promotion of Sawcuengh. I am looking forward to talking with you in Sawcuengh in the near future.
Lwgyungh Beixnuengh, mwngz rox Sawcuengh, mwngz baj vah mwngz baijgwnz aeu Sawcuengh daeuj sij hawz raeuz hag ndaej mbouj ndaej?
Gaqlaengh, danghnaeuz mwngz yaek youq neix gangj vah, mwngz sij Sawcueng caeuq Sawgun song cungh vwcij doiqciuq ndaej mbouj ndaej? Docih mwngz.
不说壮语的人学习壮文,最大的困惑来源于词汇,其次才是语音。看懂拼音方案和拼音规则不算什么!:(
以下是引用Stoneman在2004-5-21 6:51:30的发言:. I spent less than five hours on learning the basic rules of Sawcuengh and now I can read and write some Sawcuengh. If you speak Cuengh, it is easy to learn Sawcuengh. As you read more and more Sawcuengh, you may like it and then you may want to talk with our Cuengh friends here in Sawcuengh. The first thing you need to do is learn Sawcuengh.
你英文那么好,又会说壮话,几个小时当然能学会了。我周围的人大都会说壮话,但我只能听懂百分之三十,更不要提说了。能给我一些建议吗?六岁以前我只会说壮话,但现在我只会说桂柳话。
Lwgyungh Beixnuengh, mwngz rox Sawcuengh, mwngz baj vah mwngz baijgwnz aeu Sawcuengh daeuj sij hawz raeuz hag ndaej mbouj ndaej?
Gaqlaengh, danghnaeuz mwngz yaek youq neix gangj vah, mwngz sij Sawcueng caeuq Sawgun song cungh vwcij doiqciuq ndaej mbouj ndaej? Docih mwngz.
Baenz ha,gou sikhaet couh guh.
不知贝侬们注意到没有,进入我们僚人家园的贝侬,大部分都还是壮文盲。我们口口声声说要极力推行壮文,就连我们这些民族文化的热心人都不肯学,还有什么资格要求其他贝侬学呢?我们论坛里的情况,也许就是壮族地区推行壮文的缩影吧?! 我还是在其它贴子里说过的那句话:学用壮文,从我做起。 Mbouj rox gyoengq beixnuengx haeujsim mbouj,gyoengq beix nuengx daeuj Ranz Bouxraeuz neix,dingzlai cungj mbouj rox Sawcuengh.Raeuz coenzcoenz cungj naeuz yaek aeu haenqrengz doihengz Sawcuengh,hoeng doengh boux ndatsim minzcuz vwnzva neix cix mbouj haengj hag Sawcuengh raeuz,lij miz gijmaz swhgwz yiugouz gyoengq beixnuengx wnq hag ne?Gij cingzgvang ndaw lundanz dangqnaj,lauheiq couh dwg aenngaeuz diegcuengh doihengz Sawcuengh ba?! Gou lij dwg naeuz coenz vah youq dieb wnq gangj gvaq haenx:Hag Yungh Sawcuengh,Daj Gou Guh Hwnj.
壮语我会呀,可是不不知道壮文, 我们的祖先一定某种文字,后来不知怎么给灭了,既然这样了,我们为什么不创造一种更好学的,更有价值的文字,比如,我们可以用泰文字。
要想年轻人学习壮语,先得让他们有民族自豪感,得让他们有自我意识和壮族集体意识。要做到这一点是很难的。很多生活好一点的壮族人都以说汉语为荣。觉得说壮语是丢脸的,甚至有些人不让自己的孩子说壮语。这是事实。
痛!!!!
Baenz ha,gou sikhaet couh guh.
不知贝侬们注意到没有,进入我们僚人家园的贝侬,大部分都还是壮文盲。我们口口声声说要极力推行壮文,就连我们这些民族文化的热心人都不肯学,还有什么资格要求其他贝侬学呢?我们论坛里的情况,也许就是壮族地区推行壮文的缩影吧?! 我还是在其它贴子里说过的那句话:学用壮文,从我做起。 Mbouj rox gyoengq beixnuengx haeujsim mbouj,gyoengq beix nuengx daeuj Ranz Bouxraeuz neix,dingzlai cungj mbouj rox Sawcuengh.Raeuz coenzcoenz cungj naeuz yaek aeu haenqrengz doihengz Sawcuengh,hoeng doengh boux ndatsim minzcuz vwnzva neix cix mbouj haengj hag Sawcuengh raeuz,lij miz gijmaz swhgwz yiugouz gyoengq beixnuengx wnq hag ne?Gij cingzgvang ndaw lundanz dangqnaj,lauheiq couh dwg aenngaeuz diegcuengh doihengz Sawcuengh ba?! Gou lij dwg naeuz coenz vah youq dieb wnq gangj gvaq haenx:Hag Yungh Sawcuengh,Daj Gou Guh Hwnj.
Daegyungh,
(Dear Mr. Lwgyungh)
Gou youq neix couh dohci mwngz baenzneix guh. Gou da'aenh (print) gij coenz mwngz roengzdaeuj lo, guh hong baema ranz liux ne ndaej hoengq seiz couh dawz gij coenz mwngz okdaeuj hag Sawcuengh.
(Here I thank you very much for doing what you have said. I have printed your response so that I can take it out to learn the Zhuang script when I am free after I am off from work.)
Mwngz bae gvaq hagngauh Sawcuengh cienqmonh hag gvaq Sawcuengh, mwngz haenjdingh rox Sawcuengh lai gvaq vunzlai. Danghnaeuz mwngz miz seizgan, mwngz couh sij lai di Sawcuengh boiq Sawgun, baenzneix ne beixnuengx raeuz couh miz lai di givei daeuj hag Sawcuengh. Mwngz hix rox daengz, seixneix youq haw daeuj mij miz geijlai saw Sawcuengh gai, haohlai beixnuengx yaek hag Sawcuengh, hoeng, mij miz saw Sawcuengh daeuj son'gyau gyoengzde. Danghnaeuz mwngz youq neix gangj song cungh coenz ne, mwngz couh dwkrengz di lo. Hoeng, ngoenzlaengh beixnuengh raeuz cungj geij ndaej mwngz ge.
(You attended the Zhuang School specializing in Zhuang script before. Certainly you know the Zhuang script much better than the ordinary people. If you have time, would you please write in both Zhuang and Chinese so that our brothers and sisters would have more opportunities to learn the Zhuang script. You may know that there are few Zhuang books for sale in the current market. Many of our brothers and sisters want to learn our Zhuang script, but there is no Zhuang book available to teach them. If you talk in two languages here, you would need to work pretty hard. Our brothers and sisters, however, will remember you in the future for what you have done for us.)
Stoneman贝侬说得对。像lwgyungh这样接受过正规壮文教育的贝侬应该多作奉献,将你们学习和使用壮文的体会告诉大家,编一些壮文学习的通俗教材,比如lozmingz贝侬首先推出的“壮汉五百句”,发到这里供大家学习。lozmingz贝侬还只是学生,课余时间有限,lwgyungh等贝侬就多费点心了。
我至今还没找到合适的壮文教材,不然我这种“不会游泳的游泳教练”也早就上阵了。我也就玩些“壮文方案与汉语拼音对照”、“布依文与壮文、汉语拼音对照”之类的小儿科了,涉及词汇、语句、篇章的我可玩不来。真正会壮文的一些贝侬迟迟不上阵,我们也只好继续等待了。
以下是lwgyungh贝侬发过的部分帖子。你的贡献我们不会视若无物的,但我认为你在这方面还可以有更大的作为。
建议讨论壮文的贝侬先学壮文——lwgyungh http://www.rauz.net/bbs/dispbbs.asp?boardID=21&ID=2026
Hagyungh Sawcuengh,Daj Gou Guh Hwnj 学用壮文,从我做起——lwgyungh http://www.rauz.net/bbs/dispbbs.asp?boardID=21&ID=2022
进入僚人家园的贝侬都有应该学壮文——lwgyungh http://www.rauz.net/bbs/dispbbs.asp?boardID=9&ID=3324
广西目前有大量的壮文师资--lwgyungh http://www.rauz.net/bbs/dispbbs.asp?boardID=9&ID=3321
[转帖]北京“两会”继续使用壮语壮文——lwgyungh http://www.rauz.net/bbs/dispbbs.asp?boardID=9&ID=3338
也谈壮文借词——lwgyungh http://www.rauz.net/bbs/dispbbs.asp?boardID=20&ID=4769
僚语与粤语有何关系?——lwgyungh http://www.rauz.net/bbs/dispbbs.asp?boardID=22&ID=3778
不要再攻击“桂柳话”了——lwgyungh http://www.rauz.net/bbs/dispbbs.asp?boardID=22&ID=4753
FWEN BAZGOH 拔哥山歌——lwgyungh http://www.rauz.net/bbs/dispbbs.asp?boardID=21&ID=2037
给个词汇表吧 我一一记下来。比如
僚语词汇表
gou-我 mwngz-你 bya-鱼/山 XXX(桂北语)XXX(靖德语)XXX(渐旧)
。。。不会读都无所谓
I wanna learn Zhuang language.who can teach me! Help!
不知贝侬们注意到没有,进入我们僚人家园的贝侬,大部分都还是壮文盲。我们口口声声说要极力推行壮文,就连我们这些民族文化的热心人都不肯学,还有什么资格要求其他贝侬学呢?我们论坛里的情况,也许就是壮族地区推行壮文的缩影吧?!
我还是在其它贴子里说过的那句话:学用壮文,从我做起。
Mbouj rox gyoengq beixnuengx haeujsim mbouj,gyoengq beix nuengx daeuj Ranz Bouxraeuz neix,dingzlai cungj mbouj rox Sawcuengh.Raeuz coenzcoenz cungj naeuz yaek aeu haenqrengz doihengz Sawcuengh,hoeng doengh boux ndatsim minzcuz vwnzva neix cix mbouj haengj hag Sawcuengh raeuz,lij miz gijmaz swhgwz yiugouz gyoengq beixnuengx wnq hag ne?Gij cingzgvang ndaw lundanz dangqnaj,lauheiq couh dwg aenngaeuz diegcuengh doihengz Sawcuengh ba?!
Gou lij dwg naeuz coenz vah youq dieb wnq gangj gvaq haenx:Hag Yungh Sawcuengh,Daj Gou Guh Hwnj.
我觉得壮文“单词”?这样说对吗?很多单词的字母都很多,一定很难记!我认为这种多字母单词很不合理,为什么就不能尽量简化呢(当然是不可能的啦)?英文的多字母单词相对要少些。
Hag Sawcuengh ok swhgeij guh hwnj !
学 壮文 出 自己 做 起!
Saw cuengh seizneix gou mbouj naem hag ne,
raiz nanz lai ,raiz okdaeuj vunz lai yawj hix mbouj rox.
saw cuengh mbouj gaih hix mbouj miz vunz hag
“都应该”和“必须”应该是两个不同的概念吧?
“都应该”只能是建议而已,而“必须”才是没有商量的余地,这才是极端主义。
本人也觉得我们家园众贝侬都应该学学我们的母语文!!!
想学无从下手啊
哦?你不是壮族人?你是汉人吧?
是的,极端
网上可以学呀,也可以自学,很容易学的。
不知贝侬们注意到没有,进入我们僚人家园的贝侬,大部分都还是壮文盲。我们口口声声说要极力推行壮文,就连我们这些民族文化的热心人都不肯学,还有什么资格要求其他贝侬学呢?我们论坛里的情况,也许就是壮族地区推行壮文的缩影吧?!
大部分都还是壮文盲,这点我承认,但,你了要解实际情况:就拿我来说吧,我今年都30的人了,以前从没有看到过壮文(如人民币、身份证都有,但没人说、也不会认识),当我学会了上网才知道,原来我们壮文没有推广、我们壮人的没落是多么严重、这个问题不能都怪我们,因为从小除了壮语、风俗还保留壮族人的本性,其它都学汉人的东西,就像你说的一样,温水煮青蛙、不知不觉就玩死你,杀人不见血啊!!现在发现这个问题是多么的严重、、、、但我们要感染我们的兄弟姐妹,告诉他们,我们还有灵魂、、、、但这需要时间,让大家学习。
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