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作者: 潭    时间: 2004-2-29 17:56
标题: 我想学拼音壮文,谁教我?
前几天碰到覃怀升老人,看到了他笔记本里写的几行壮文,他念给我听,可惜我听不懂,更别说读了,很惭愧。想跟他学,可是人家是七十多岁的老人了,实在不好意思打扰。再说,我的工作时间总是那么不固定,也不好跟他约定时间去学。那我该怎么办呢?
作者: 壮族万岁    时间: 2004-3-1 09:45
目前来说比较现实的就是买教材来自学。
作者: 路漫    时间: 2004-3-1 10:16
潭:你真想学,如你方便之话,我可以协助你学,具体办法请你提出。
作者: 闻多    时间: 2004-3-1 19:32
Luqmanq lauxsae,mwngz ndei! miz gij baez gou naem bae ra mwngz,youx lau mwngz yuhyap,han baixgwnx mwngz naeuz coenz vah haej 谭 neih ,gou simrongz lo.liengqbaex gou gvaq gij ngoenz doem miz seizgan coux bae ra mwngz,angq lei?
作者: 潭    时间: 2004-3-1 20:48
 闻多  兄,你别用壮文跟我说话呀,明知道我看不懂。
 路漫老师,您觉得我该怎么学呢?我会说壮话,只是标准音有时候听不懂,觉得很难记,跟我说的话相差太大了。
作者: 路漫    时间: 2004-3-2 10:51
angqcoux 闻多beixnuengx!Seizlawz daeuj cingj sien dwenq ndei gonq.
潭:你说的壮话是哪里的方言?壮文字母学过吗?能不能拼读?否则,得从字母学起哦。
作者: 红河渔夫    时间: 2004-4-10 16:44
我也要跟学。希望能赐教。
作者: marsuncle    时间: 2004-4-26 19:54
我也想学^_^
作者: 山谷散人    时间: 2004-5-18 16:13

打死我都不学,

我就是讲壮的啊!

我觉得没有必要去学这个拼音壮文!!

就有那几十年的生命的文字,凭什么叫我学??

要学,就学方块壮文!

我喜欢看用方块壮文写的书!!!


作者: lwgyungh    时间: 2004-5-18 20:49
没有人强迫你学拼音壮文!也没有人强迫你讲壮话!!更没有人强迫你进僚人家园!!!
作者: 沙南曼森    时间: 2004-5-19 01:11

你可以不喜欢拼音壮文,就像我可以不喜欢刘三姐一样。但你没必要四处诋毁拼音壮文,就像我没必要四处贬损刘三姐一样。

补充一下,我喜欢的是刘二姐,也是刘家(Ranz Raeuz)的。


作者: Stoneman    时间: 2004-5-19 04:24
以下是引用在2004-3-1 20:48:15的发言: 闻多 兄,你别用壮文跟我说话呀,明知道我看不懂。 路漫老师,您觉得我该怎么学呢?我会说壮话,只是标准音有时候听不懂,觉得很难记,跟我说的话相差太大了。

Luqmanq lauxsae,mwngz ndei! miz gij baez gou naem bae ra mwngz,youx lau mwngz yuhyap,han baixgwnx mwngz naeuz coenz vah haej 谭 neih ,gou simrongz lo.liengqbaex gou gvaq gij ngoenz doem miz seizgan coux bae ra mwngz,angq lei?

English Translation:

Hi, Teacher Luqmanq, how are you? A few times I wanted to go find you, but I was afraid that I might bother you. Now I see from above that you want to teach this Mr or Ms. 谭, I know I was wrong. Maybe in a few days, if I have time, I would like to go find you, would this be fine with you?

[此贴子已经被作者于2004-5-20 6:09:38编辑过]

作者: Stoneman    时间: 2004-5-19 04:32
以下是引用山谷散人在2004-5-18 16:13:28的发言:

打死我都不学,

我就是讲壮的啊!

我觉得没有必要去学这个拼音壮文!!

就有那几十年的生命的文字,凭什么叫我学??

要学,就学方块壮文!

我喜欢看用方块壮文写的书!!!

方块壮文 is too confusing. Romanized Zhuang script is easier to learn and promote. Take me for an example, after having spent a few hours on learning the rules of Sawcuengh, I can now read and understand a lot of Sawcuengh.

Try to learn Sawcuengh first before you jump to your conclusion. Since you said you speak Zhuang too, you may like the Romanized Zhuang script (Sawcuengh) once you learn her beauty.

Since you come to her, it means that you do care about our language. In that case please try to come up with some constructive and positive ideas and advice. Thanks.

[此贴子已经被作者于2004-5-19 4:39:34编辑过]

作者: Duhhenj    时间: 2004-5-19 09:25
以下是引用山谷散人在2004-5-18 16:17:42的发言:

我讲啊,不要学这些不卵不泡的东西啦!尽快恢复我们的方块壮文吧!

那样还容易学,七八十岁的布佬也能学会,

拼音壮文几时我们才学得会??

大家别理他,你看看他说的话,典型的桂柳口音,严重的汉化
作者: 山谷散人    时间: 2004-5-19 14:37

My English is very poor!!!

Speak chinaese ! OK??

会讲洋鬼子的话,是不是已经洋化啦??

车卵弹!!


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作者: Duhhenj    时间: 2004-5-19 15:00

Stoneman贝侬的系统不支持中文输入,我们表示理解,

你不想学拼音文字,我们也可以理解,但是你诋毁你不喜欢的东西,不尊重别人,而且满嘴脏话,你以为很快了是吗?(你这是在不自重啊,贝侬!)


作者: 山谷散人    时间: 2004-5-19 15:06

我错就错在讲脏话!

不应该!

其他我想没有什么错。

壮族几千年的历史,

要使用生编硬造的拼音文字记载??

以前的文化都给抹杀啦??以前的文字没有用??

几千的文化要用这没几个人认识的拼音去繁衍去发扬去继承???

无奈!可悲!


作者: Duhhenj    时间: 2004-5-19 15:16

你不仅错在说脏话,你诋毁它物,不尊重他人的成果也是万万不该的。

我们家园不欢迎脏话、谩骂、或是诋毁他人!就算没有这样的规定,每个人都应该自觉!


作者: 山谷散人    时间: 2004-5-19 15:22

叫几个外佬帮我们硬编的文字?

我不得不……


作者: wenliqan    时间: 2004-5-19 16:05
老兄,这样讲,就不对了,不管哪种方案都有它的长处短处,但是请你记住,拼音能让人更容易学会,特别是外国人,你知道为什么汉语不能在世界流行吗??就是因为太难学了,我自己认为如果想把壮语推到世界,那还是拼音壮语有优势。如果只想划地为牢,局限在自己内部,那就使用方块文字,这是一种闭关锁国的思维。中国以前已经上过这种当了,难道现在的人还是那么固执吗?
作者: 闻多    时间: 2004-5-19 23:13

answer to Stoneman at 12th floor

You translation is quite correct. The words yuhyap ,han and liengqbaex maybe are not the standard words.thy offen be said in my hometome,yuhyap means upset or unhappy(I wanted to say that I am afraid to bother teacher Luqmanq there).han means see (=raen in standard).liengqbaex means maybe .


作者: Stoneman    时间: 2004-5-20 06:03
以下是引用Duhhenj在2004-5-19 9:25:50的发言: 大家别理他,你看看他说的话,典型的桂柳口音,严重的汉化
Duhhenj Beixnuengh, mwngz gangj ndaej doiq, gangj ndaej ndei!!! Duzlwg neix mbouj dwg vunz Bouxcuengh raeuz. Gou baez yawj raen vah de gou couh simyap simndat. Gou mbouj ngwnh de dwg Bouxcuengh raeuz. De mbouj hoq (like) Sawcuengh raeuz, de daeuj Ranz Bouxraeuz guh gijma???
[此贴子已经被作者于2004-5-20 6:23:38编辑过]

作者: Stoneman    时间: 2004-5-20 06:19
以下是引用闻多在2004-5-19 23:13:08的发言:

answer to Stoneman at 12th floor

You translation is quite correct. The words yuhyap ,han and liengqbaex maybe are not the standard words.thy offen be said in my hometome,yuhyap means upset or unhappy(I wanted to say that I am afraid to bother teacher Luqmanq there).han means see (=raen in standard).liengqbaex means maybe .

Beixnuengh, gou heixdongx (thank) mwngz. Gou seih (dwg) Vunz Venzhienz (Hwnzyen), mwngz dwg vunz dieg lawz? I have made some changes above based on your answer. Thanks a lot for your support. Have a nice day.
作者: Stoneman    时间: 2004-5-20 07:16
以下是引用路漫在2004-3-1 10:16:54的发言: 潭:你真想学,如你方便之话,我可以协助你学,具体办法请你提出。

Lohmanh Lauxsae, gou hix yaek youq Ranz Bouxraeux neix gaen mwngz hag Sawcuengh. Dangnaeuz mwngz sij Sawcuengh, mwngz hix sij Sawgun cuengh roengz baijlaj Sawcuengh bae ndei mbouj ndei? Fan gvaq daeuj naeuz, dangnaeuz mwngz sij Sawgun gonq, mwngz caiq sij Sawcuengh youq baijlaj Sawgun ndei mbouj ndei? Baenzneix yiengh, lwg lanmbauq lansau Bouxcuengh raeuz youq neix couh miz aen gijveih hag Sawcuengh.

Gou rox yawj Sawgun, danhseih gou couh mbouj rox aeu dieh noh daeuj sij Sawgun roengx neixdaeuj, doiq mbouj cwh.

Lohmanh Lauxsae, mwngz daekrengz lo, gou heixdongx (doxcij) mwngz!!!

[此贴子已经被作者于2004-5-20 8:26:31编辑过]

作者: 路漫    时间: 2004-5-20 10:18

Stoneman beixnuengx,docih mwngz saenq gou!Stoneman 贝侬,谢谢你对我的信任!

angqcoux mwngz daeuj ra gou,raeuz caez yaeng baenzlawz hag ndei yungh ndei Sawcuengh. 欢迎你来寻访,我们共同商讨如何学好用好壮文。


作者: 季人    时间: 2004-5-20 15:14
以下是引用山谷散人在2004-5-19 14:37:17的发言:

My English is very poor!!!

Speak chinaese ! OK??

确实有点太poor了,连Chinese都拼错。
作者: 闻多    时间: 2004-5-23 14:32

stoneman beixnuengx::

Gou dwg vunz(or vwnz?) Bingzgoj(Pingguo),gou hagh Sawcuenghh mbouj gijlai nanz(long time).gou gangj vah caeuq byeuhcinjyinh mbouj doxdoengz leux,hoeng vah byeuhcinjyinh gou gihbwnj rox dingq.Youq laeng mbanj gou miz haojlai nangxbaex (媳妇)gangj vah caenx loemj byeuhcinjyinh ,gou coux dwg hagh gaeq vah gyungqde daeuj sij mbaenqneix.gou sij yienghneix mwngz rox gijlai?


作者: Stoneman    时间: 2004-6-11 04:41
以下是引用闻多在2004-5-23 14:32:58的发言:

stoneman beixnuengx::

Gou dwg vunz(or vwnz?) Bingzgoj(Pingguo),gou hagh Sawcuenghh mbouj gijlai nanz(long time).gou gangj vah caeuq byeuhcinjyinh mbouj doxdoengz leux,hoeng vah byeuhcinjyinh gou gihbwnj rox dingq.Youq laeng mbanj gou miz haojlai nangxbaex (媳妇)gangj vah caenx loemj byeuhcinjyinh ,gou coux dwg hagh gaeq vah gyungqde daeuj sij mbaenqneix.gou sij yienghneix mwngz rox gijlai?

I am from Pingguo. I've learned Zhuang script for not too long. My Zhuang dialect is not too close to the standard Zhuang. However, basically I can understand the standard Zhuang. In my village, there are many married women who speak a Zhuang dialect similar to the standard Zhuang. It is from them that I learn how to write (Sawcuengh) to here. I write (Sawcuengh) like that, and how much do you understand?

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闻多 Beixnuengx,

Thanks a lot for answering my question. And sorry for my late response because I have been gone for vacation for about three weeks and was not able to access to the Internet during that period of time.

Let's study Sawcuengh and hopefully we can communicate in Sawcuengh in the near future.

Vihliux ngoenzndei Bouxcuengh ngoenzlaengh, gyoengqraeuz roengzrengz hag Sawcuengh ba!!!

[此贴子已经被作者于2004-6-12 6:25:55编辑过]

作者: fly_fish    时间: 2004-6-11 07:46

stoneman怎么学语言那么在行呀?!羡慕ING!


作者: 南岛    时间: 2004-6-11 11:02
以下是引用Stoneman在2004-6-11 4:41:49的发言:

Vih liux ngoenzndei Bouxcuengh ngoezlaengh, gyoengqraeuz roengzrengz hag Sawcuengh ba!!!

好!呼吁得好!


作者: 右江水红河岸    时间: 2004-6-11 22:13

roengzrengz hag Sawcuengh


作者: 闻多    时间: 2004-6-17 19:49

Boiqfug stoneman beixnuengx! mwngz hag Sawcuengh rox waiq,gou cingq hozhaenh mwngz!

Heih raeuz doxgyopdoxlaeh hag Sawcuengh!


作者: 特田栏钟    时间: 2004-12-12 21:49

Ndwn laj dinbya ngiengxgyaeuj

Yawj bya bya lawz mbouj sang

Aen aen soem lumj fag giemqhang

Bae caeuq mbwn doxhangz

Beij sang daemq

Benz hwnj gwnz dingj Byacwx(大明山)

Fwngz goj ndaej laemh fwjhau

Mbouj gamj haising ndwetcauz

Heiqlau sausien doeksaet

世上无难事,只怕有心人.贝侬,相信你一定能够学好壮文,我们支持你.


作者: veizswhdwz    时间: 2006-4-5 21:41

我很想学习壮语语音 我本人是云南富宁壮族 如果有老师愿意教我的话 请加我qq77020899 msn dylanwei@hotmail我们还可以交流 我本人是英语专业毕业的


作者: AAAAAAyingj    时间: 2006-4-6 09:33

stoneman beixnuengx::

Gou dwg vunz(or vwnz?) Bingzgoj(Pingguo),gou hagh Sawcuenghh mbouj gijlai nanz(long time).gou gangj vah caeuq byeuhcinjyinh mbouj doxdoengz leux,hoeng vah byeuhcinjyinh gou gihbwnj rox dingq.Youq laeng mbanj gou miz haojlai nangxbaex (媳妇)gangj vah caenx loemj byeuhcinjyinh ,gou coux dwg hagh gaeq vah gyungqde daeuj sij mbaenqneix.gou sij yienghneix mwngz rox gijlai?

Gou gig haengj yawj mbaw diep mwngz ,mbaw diep baih gwnz gou cungj yawj ndaej rox caez ,muengh mwngz lai lai aeu vah dieg Bingzgoj sij faenz cieng ,daj ndaw de ,yawj ndaej ok vah bingzgoq funggek caeuq daek saek ! Gou muengh daengx gih gak yienh gak yangh cungj miz vunz youq neix aeu byauhcinj Sawcuengh fuenganq ma gyaeb vah bonj dieg !Raeuz couh ndaej daj ndaw yawj ok gak dieg beixnuengx ndaej mbouj ndaej aeu vah cuengh dox gyau louz .Vih ngoenzlaeng raeuz ndaej daih caez dox gaep guh laeb aen caen Bouxcuengh cujciz [ Diegcuengh Sawcuengh vwnzvaq dox gaep mbefat yezveiq ] bae roengz rengz !


作者: vaiz    时间: 2006-4-18 13:43

我学拼音倒是挺快的,但我不大懂壮语,所以在词汇方面就很不好啦!唉!!

hagh应该是hag,促声调不用标调的.

byeuhcinjyinh没有byeu这样的组合,应该是beu.

haojlai-haujlai.

coux 是不是couh?在宾阳,couh也是读成coux,是第六声变调为第四声,这在宾阳是很常见的,就是第一声变调为第三声一样.但在标准音里,第六声变第四声的情况却很少.

gyungqde好像是gyoengqde?






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