Sawcuengh aeu mbefat[僚人家园]——壮族、布依族、岱侬族共同论坛『Sonhag Sawraeuz 僚文平台』

Ayingj 发表于 2004-5-13 13:57:00

Sawcuengh aeu mbefat

Sawcueng aeu mbefat 
 
 
Cihsaw yunghcawq dwg aeuma geiq saeh geiq gingniemh geiq roengz bouxcuengh raeuz youq gwnz seiq gyaiq guh gij hong cwngqci hong ginghsi hong venzva hong hoenx -ciengq….. .Caemh ndaej geiq roengz daengx seiqgyaiq vunz soj guh dih it ciet caeuq gwnz digiuz gvaengxmbin soj miz dih doxgaiq. Doengzseiz sawcuengh caemh ndaej guh benz doxgiet bouxcuengh mbefat bouxcuengh lienz dem bouxcuengh di it cungj honggaiq......Vunz yinghgwzlanz caeuq vunz meij goz couh dwg yiengh neix guh,gyoengq de yungh it cunghj venzsw yidungj ma geiq roengz daengx seiqgyaiq dih it ciet .yaek couq giz dah minz cuz gyauhliuz couh doeng gvaq Boux hoizvah ma guh dox rox.. Boux cuengh raeuz seiz neix daih bouhfaenh mbouj ndaej aeu sawcuengh ma son gyauq lwg nyez, lwg nyez raeuz youq yozyauq ngaiz aeu sam cungj venzsw venzva ma hag dox gaiq ,caux benz lwg nyez ukgyaeuj luenhnyaeb,mbouj miz gag rox ngvanh,gah rox sij,gag rox hag, gag rox guh dih nengz lig..lwg nyez raeuz youq ranz youq mbanj gangj vahcuengh , youq yozyau hag sawgun ,gauj dayoz aeu hag yinghvenz .langqfeiq goengrengz langqfeiq cienzcaiz .doengzseiz hag dox gaiq hag ndaej mbouj laeg,mbouj gvangq,mbouj vaiq. Lwg nyez boux cuengh daih bouh faenh mbouj ndaej hag bonjfaenh minzcuz gij lizsij ,cihsaw caeuq cuenghcoj sawfwen.mbouj ndaej cix mbouj rox vih bouxcuengh venzva mbefat guh goeng rengz.
 Benz lawz aeu cungj venz sw venzva ndeu hag seuq seigyai it ciet doxgaiq ne?
 Souj sien aeu guh laeb gohyoz cienz miemh di gaiqniemh cihsiz yiqdungj! Couh dwg naeuz doiq seiqgyaiq gwnz it ciet doxgaiq aeu saw cuengh gaiqniemh byauj si ok daeuj. Aeu gaiqniemh byaujsiq seiz aeu miz guihliz miz daep nem. lumjbenz,ancoh hawjdaengx duzhaenx,boux cuengh coj raeuz an de heuh duz guk duz nyaen duz ma duz meuz caeuh miz guihliz caeuh ndei geiq, aeu duz gijmaz gaiqniemh yidungj ma an coh hawj daengx duz mbin daengx duz byaij haenx caeuh gig goh yoz. Cungj byaujsi fuengfap neix caemh ndaej yungh ma geiq roengz seigyaiq gwnz dih itciet . dang yienz saw cuengh gaiqniemh yiqdungj guh laeb aeu miz cienvunz bae guh aeu cienvunz bae laeb,aeu cienvunz bae ngvanh .ngvanh,gangj,sij guh,ngvanhgangj,ngvanhsij ngvanh guh dwg lwgcuengh raeuz aeu daj iq couh aeu lienh gi bonjsaeh .Lumj baenz aen ‘car’ ci lingzgienq gaiq niemh yi dungj aeu saw cuengh ma byauj siq ,aeu vah cuengh ma heuh de,baenz lawz heuh ndaej ndei youh ndei geiq ?ngamj boux cuengh raeuz yungh.?lumj benz dieg mingzcoh gaiq niemh yidungj ,vunz ndaw ndang daej dox gai gaiqniemh yidungj ,guh ranzlouz gaiqniemh cihsiz dijyiq,yawjbingh ywbingh gingniemh cihisiz dijyi, guh gak yiengh gunghcwngz gohyoz gainiemh cihsiz dijyi,ciuq vunz yinghgoz meijgoz heuh dwg ceiq gohyoz ,ciuq vah bouxcuengh raeuz heuh,baenz lawz heuh ndaej ndei?heuh ndaej ngamj?ciuq cih sawgun heuh mbouj gohyoz dwg seiqgyai yawjfap. aen vih sawgun dih gainiemh dijyi mbouj miz gveihliz, mbouj vanzcwngj. lingh vaih saw gun yidungj cihsaw moq gig noix ,bungqdaengz gainiemh moq cij ndaej aeu cihsaw gouq ma dingj, yienghneix guh dwg mbouj gohyoz dih,yungz heih caux benz gaiqniemh dox gyonx ,lumj benz youq cih sawgun ndaw de, mbangj cih saw daibyauj haujlai gaiqniemh hamz eiq,rox naeuz doengz it cih saw lai cungj yungh fam ,rox naeuz mbangj cih saw youq mbouj doengz deih fueng yungh couh daiq byauj mbouj doengz hamzeiq.dwngj., raeuz dawz sawgun hoiz benzsawcuengh seiz aeu cuyi diuz neix.mienx ndaej caux benz gaiq niemh dox gyonx. Sawcuengh aeu fat cienq ,couh aeu hawj de miz giengz daih fatcienq naengz lig ,couh aeu miz gohyoz dih gaiq niemh yidungj caeuq cienz miemh di cihsiz dijyi guh demhdaej, yienghneix sawcuengh cij ndaej mbefat. cij ndaej guh menh guh ak,cij ndaej hawj boux cuengh lwg lan raeuz yungh de hag de.dawz gak aen cihsiz dijyi guh benz cijdauj bouxcuengh guh laeb gak hangz gak yieb ,hawj boux cuengh faen hong faen hangz faen yieb caux guh hong saeh.yinxbyaij bouxcuengh seqvei fatcienq. Hag saw cuengh caemh ndaej ok goh yoz gyah.ok gak conhyez cihsiz boux conhgyah.
 Bouxcuengh aeu gaijgiet di gohyoz gaiqniemh yidungj gig lai.seiz neix senj diemj geij gienh jihbenj gaiqniemh dijyi ma beijgangj: 1 );Diegmingzcoh gainiemh yidungj. Lumj benz ,roen gijmaz dijyi : Roen suengjgyiuz , roen baeksaek ,roen doeng namznihgz ,roen doeng liujcouh. Bya gijmaz gaiqniemh dijyi,lumj bya daqmingz , byameuh dwngj .Aeu [ roen + dieg mingzcoh] [ roendoeng +dieg mingzcoh ] byaujsiq diuz roen ndaej leih lwglan hag geiq,youh miz guihliz miz daepnem miz fueng yiengq. 2).Vunz bouxcuengh mingzcoh an coh dijyi :aeu sawcuengh an coh benzlawz an cij ndaej hawj boux cuengh caeuq vunz hancuz miz faen biet,doengzseizbyauj mingz dwg it boux sauj suq minz cuz(byauj mingz mwngz dwg sauj suq minzcuz ndei cawqdwg :raeuz gangj bujdungh vah caeuq boux hancuz gyauh liuz seiz gangj ndaej mbouj byauh cinj vunz ndaej lijgaij mwngz,mbouj dwg mwngz mbouj coengminz,dwg gangj mbouj gvenq ) ,doengzseiz,boux cuengh an cih coh hamz eiq aeu gek ndaej cih sawgun,gij neix dwg boux cuengh raeuz daih daih aeu ngvanh dih saeh cinghz, youq sawgun gaemguenj it ciet aen seigyaiq neix ,an coh dwg it hangh saeh naek .an ndaej mbouj ndei,benz seiq yukyamq.aeu guhlaeb bouxcuengh ancoh dijyiq,an coh guh fat mizhaujlai cungj,lumj benz :dieg seng cih sawmeh gonq gya mingz coh an fap .lumj gou seng youq mbanj giz mauz an coh gun heuh Luz dwzsanh ancoh bouxcuengh couh heuh : G dwzsanh Loeg,yienghneix an coh,caeuq sawgun miz faenbietcouh miz dox dem,cojgoeng cih singq ndaej baujlaeuz.lij ndaej swnh daengxseiq gyaiq boux yungh cih sawmeh lah dingh gij funghsug.Boux cuengh aeu saw gun ancoh ,gijneix bonj laiz couh dwg it cungj minzcuz yawj ngawz cwngqswz gya hawj bouxcuengh dih it cungj byaujyenq,aenvih bouxcuengh mbouj miz bonj faenh cih saw,hauj lai gainiemh ngaiz aeu saw gun byaujsiq,giz saenh,dongz it aen gaiq niemh,aeu yinghvenz byauj siq engq gya gohyoz, boux cuengh raeuz boux rox yinghvenz mbouj dawz de hoiz ok daeuj,raeuz couh ngaiz aeu saw gun byauj siq,ciq cih sawgun ma guh boux cuengh sawcuengh gaiqniemh lij lau deg mbouj gohyoz. 3) Lij miz doeng go gijmaz an coh gai niemh dijyi, ndaw raemx doengh duz an coh gai niemh dijyi ,ciuq vunz yingh goz meij goz an di gohyoz gaiq niemh dijyi,ciuq vunz boux gun an dih dieg mingzcoh gainiemh diyi dengj.yinghyij ndaw de gaiq niemh yidungj ceiq cienzmiemh,ceiq gohyoz ,mbangj aen gai niemh aeu vunz mingh bae vuenh cij ndaej ok cih de,mbangj aen gainiemh bae ngaenz cien ngaenz fanh cij ndaej ok cih de .vih liux yinghvenz cihsiz di siencinq ,gohyoz caeuq yienz muenx, sawj gwnz seigyai soj miz dox gai,hag yingh venz ndaej rox set,vunz yinghgoz douz roengz ngaenz cien ik fanh ik bae guh gak cungj gak yiengh gainiemh cihsiz dijyi,dwk roengz aen ‘computer’ baj debbuenz, hawj daengx seiqgyai vunz lumj fatfung ne bae hag de,yiengh neix gij venz va de couh gig dijcienz.Lumj benz binghdoeg gaiq niemh dijyiq, cungguek raeuz couh mbouj miz gij de rox naeuz miz gij de mbouj cienz miemh.,miz gij binghdoeg youq gwnz seiq ,doeg saw gun couh mbouj rox gij binghdoeg mingzcoh de caeuq gij yw fap gaij fap de.vunz yinghgoz douz roengz ngaenz cien ik, dawz gwnz di gyiuz soj miz binghdoeg couq vunz caux bingh doeg guh benz bingh doeg an coh gainienh cisiz dijyi,mbouj lwnh gij maz bingh doeg,rox it yeingh couh an it yiengh coh hawj de,doengzseiz doiq saen binghdoeg,mbouj insik douz cienz ngaenz bae yenz giuq de.hawj aen minz cuz de mbouj lau binghdoeg haih dai. Youq gwnz seigyaiq,fazgoz,dwzgoz,sihbanhyaz,itbenj,geij aen guek gya neix cungj miz it dauq yienzmuenx vanzcwngj dih gaiqniemh cihsiz dijyi,aen minzcuz de youq cwngqciq gwnz baenz lawz gung baenz lawz souj,ginghsiq gwnz baenz lawz guh baenz lawz faeuq,venzva gwnz baenz lawz bien baenz lawz yienj baenz law aeu cihsaw dox giet aen minzcuz de ,baenzlawz guh ndaej daez sang aen minz cuz de youq seiqgyaiqz gwnz dieg vih,doenghgij neix gyongq de guh ndaej gig ndei.
 Guh ndei cienz mienh couq wanzcwngj di saw cuengh gaiq niemh dijyi dwg saw cuengh fat cienq it dingh souj sien guh dih daih saeh,mbouj miz yiengh neix ,saw cuengh couh bienq benz it dauq mbouj miz yungh di ,doek laeng vunz di it cungj mbouj dijcienz dih sawcuengh..miz liux vanzcwngh dih gainiemh dijyi cij ndaej guh ok vanzcwngj dih cihsiz dijyi,sawcuengh miz liux van cwngj di cihsiz dijyi,couh dwg boux cuengh it bit caiz bauj,bit caiz bauj neix mbouj danh ndaej hawj bouxcuengh raeuz faeuq,lij ndaej hawj bouxcuengh raeuz giengz daih,coengmingz.
 Aeu guh laeb ndaej byauj si daengx seiqgyaiq soj miz doxgai dih saw cuengh gainiemh cihsiz dijyi,Caeuh aeu guh laeb saw cuengh cisiz baujguq.aeu guh laeb sawcuengh cisiz bauj guq,caeuh aeu daengx bouxcuengh raeuz it heij bae guh,boux rox sawgun caeuh aeu gij saw gun cihsiz haenx hoiz baenz sawcuengh cihsiz, boux rox yingh venz ,caeuh aeu yingh venz hag rox gij cihsiz haenx hoiz baenz saw cuengh ,yiengh neix ,boux guh boux rom,it daih gya it daih, gya lai sawcuengh cih siz dijyi ,hawj lwg lan raeuz doenggvaq hag saw cuengh hag rox daengx seigyai cihsiz.vunz hanzgoz caemh dwg yiengh neix guh,gyongq de vunz dieg couq boux cuengh raeuz ca mbouj geij lai,hoeng mbefat ndaej gig vaiq,vih gijmaz?gyoengqde couh dwg yiengh neix guh,seizneix cingcaih guh.
 Saw gun dwg ging gvaq geij cien bi cij ndaej guh daengz yiengh neix ,gohyoz lij doek laeng vaihguek baen seiq haj cib bi .youq gwnz seiqgyaiq,daih bouh faenh vunz nyinh naeuz saw gun dwg mbouj goh yoz dih,mbouj ndei sawj yungh di .lumj benz lwgnyez gou daj sam bi haeuj hag doeg saw ,daengz siuj yoz doeg sat ok yoz yauq,gungh hag liux 9 bi saw gun..,lij mbouj rox yungh buj dungh vah caeuq bohmeh gyauliuz,sij mbouj benz bien 200 cih saw ngoenz geiq .yungh buj dungh vah gangj bonj faenh soj hag dih cihsiz ,gangj mbouj daengz 5 faen cung,biuj daz nwngzlig ca.lwg gvai bienq lwg ngawz. Yiengh neix Lwg raeuz couq lwg meijgoz lwg yinghgwzlanz lwg itbenj,lwg hanzgoz couh ceng ndaej gyae lo-----. Aenvih saw gun dwg guek gya caezgya yungh dih venzswq. Lwgngez mbouj hag mbouj ndaej , gag gou fanj duiq mbouj miz yungh ,. aeu saw gun ma hag cihsiz, dwg gig menh dih,gij neix couh dwg cunghguek gohgi fatcien beij seiqgyaiq doeklaeng di yenzyinh,caemh dwg gvangj sih sevei, cwngci, venzva, ginghsi fatcienq beij fatdad guekgya doeklaeng ,beij daengx guek doek laeng di yenz yinh.aen vih boux cuengh raeuz aeu saw gun hag doxgaiq beij han cuz vunz engq gya dwg rengz.Lingh vaih vunz hancuz doiq vunz saujsu minz cuz son hag guh bauj souj,de it dingh miz gauhcungh,cij ndaej hawj mwngz miz siujyoz,de itdingh miz bozsw,cij ndaej hawj mwngz miz gauh cungh,de it dingh beij mwngz sang geij gaep,cij ndaej hawj mwngz hag gij de.gangjbeg dwg naeuz hawj raeuz geux yaq oij de.
 Boux cuengh aeu fat cienq ,Souj sien guh ndei bouxcuengh cujsiz cwngq ci dijyiq,fanjduiq gij maz,mbefat gij maz,baujhoq gijmaz ,guh gijnaz hongsaeh , cungj aeu miz aen sujsiz bae bauj cwngq.miz liux sujsiz bauj cwng,cijndaej bae rom cienz ngaenz,gauj ginghsi yienz haeuh cij ndaej guh venzva,yienz haeuh caiq yungh ceiq siencin dih venzva ma bangcoh mbefat bouxcuengh cwngci cujsiz ,guh giengz guh menh buoxcuengh cujsiz.yienz haeuh cij ndaej gya vaiq fatcienq bouxcuengh ginghsiq,guh gij doxgai hawj vunz bouxcueng youq ndaej an onj ,gwn ndaej gij ndei,maj ndaej swh yienz haenx. Cwngci ginghsiq venva hoenxciengq dwg nem youq it heij,youh dox bang youh dox dam.noix yiengh mbouj benz saeh.guh ndei le,bouxcuengh seqvei couh ndaej fat cienq lo.bouxcuengh couhndaej youq gwnz diqgiuz miz veqdieg gwnyouq lo!
 
 
 
 
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shop 发表于 2004-5-13 15:33:00

看不懂，有是谁能解释一下？

Is-peiq 发表于 2004-5-13 18:01:00

大概是有關新詞彙在壯文的翻譯嗎？不懂壯語，只是憑字裏行間的幾個認識的詞兒猜的。如果那文章的行寬濶一點點讀起上來就更容易了。

红棉树 发表于 2004-5-13 19:06:00

Ayingj贝侬的壮文拼写如果规范一些的话，会减少读者认读文章的难度，现在我基本上也只能看懂大意，碰到不规范的地方太多的话，我会产生跳跃过去阅读的惰性，如果跳跃阅读的次数太多，会导致越看越糊涂。

红棉树 发表于 2004-5-13 19:32:00

不过，对于Ayingj贝侬一直坚持不懈用壮文发表帖子的精神，我由衷地表示佩服。因此，在拼写问题上，我除了会尽量指出一些明显的不规范拼写，自己也努力去运用壮文来发表相关的观点，用壮文来和你交流意见，如何？

Ayingj 发表于 2004-5-13 20:07:00

Bien faenz cieng neix gou mbouj rox gaij geij lai mbat lo,caemh caz cih loek mbouj rox geij lai mbat loh , hoeng caiq yawj lij miz cih loek ,ai-----------! Bien faenz cieng neix Luz bingh yawj gvaq, Cungh yangh minz yenq Ciqsingh .yungz yawj gvaq, mbouj caengz rox gyoengq de miz gijmaz gamj siengj?Miz bouxlawz dawz bien faenz cieng neix caiq bae camyawj?

lwgyungh 发表于 2004-5-14 09:50:00

Yienghneix gangj Luz Bingh cujsiz gaenq hag rox Sawcuengh raeuz lo,danghnaeuz de daiqdaeuz yungh Sawcuengh couh ndei lo.

lannie1013 发表于 2004-5-14 10:15:00

denq wngq daej rox geijlai aen ceih

Ayingj 发表于 2004-5-14 12:41:00

Lwgyungz, De mbouj rox sawcuengh law, gou hemh gih denqsiq daiz boux boqyaem HAijvei.vangz doeg hawj de dingq .box boqyaem haenx gou caeuq de caemh congz ninz gvaq !

byaraiz 发表于 2004-5-14 16:59:00

Ayingj贝侬，算我求你了，尽量把壮文写得规范一些好不好啊，要不然读起来太费劲了，费了好大劲读完还是看不懂，那你也是白费劲了啊。建议你在每发一个壮文帖子之前，认认真真地读一遍，看有没有错，有错再发表好不好？好比你在9楼说"Lwgyungz……"，把Lwgyungh的名字自行改为Lwgyungz，实在是有点草率了。

duhand 发表于 2004-5-14 17:12:00

Sawcueng aeu mbefat 是不是“壮文要发展”的意思？如果耐心看下去，我可以看得懂，但是，好多借词阿！Benz lawz aeu cungj venz sw venzva ndeu hag seuq seigyai it ciet doxgaiq ne?(如何一种文字文化来学完世界上的一切东西呢？）如果我翻译得没错的话，我认为，像这样的句子基本上不叫壮话。至少应表示为 baenzlawz aeu sungj saw ndeu hagseuq giq doxgaiq gwnseiq?(如何用文字一种学干净 / 东西世上？），虽然我的拼写也会有错，但是我极力反对照着中文意思，用桂柳话来翻译成壮文。（我猜作者是先写好中文，后翻译成壮文的）。可能是我太挑剔了，Ayingj 贝侬请勿见怪哦！不过能有耐心用壮文写这么长的文章，确实很令人佩服。

byaraiz 发表于 2004-5-14 17:51:00

我仔细看了一下，几乎所有的句子都有错字和不规范的地方，该大写不大写、不该大写却大写、该连写不连写、不该连写却连写的情况很多。还有，句子的语法上，也太脱离壮语的思维，很多句子好象都是先用汉语想好再原封不动地将词汇转化为壮语词汇，所以变成了语法错误。如频频出现的hanqcuz vunz 按照壮语词法应该是 Vunz Hancuz（汉族人）
[此贴子已经被作者于2004-5-14 18:08:35编辑过]

红棉树 发表于 2004-5-14 18:27:00

我认为拼写错误和不规范的，用红色字体标注出来了，而且是不完全统计，因为有些错误或不规范我也没有确定，因此检查时没有指出，过后确认是不规范或错误时，回头去找已经找不到了。同时，我看不懂的词汇就用蓝色字体标出来。请Ayingj贝侬仔细看看，再做一次修改，如何？
 Sawcueng aeu mbefat 






Cihsaw yunghcawq dwg aeuma geiq saeh geiq gingniemh geiq roengz bouxcuengh raeuz youq gwnz seiq gyaiq guh gij hong cwngqci hong ginghsi hong venzva hong hoenx -ciengq….. .Caemh ndaej geiq roengz daengx seiqgyaiq vunz soj guh dih it ciet caeuq gwnz digiuz gvaengxmbin soj miz dih doxgaiq. Doengzseiz sawcuengh caemh ndaej guh benz doxgiet bouxcuengh mbefat bouxcuengh lienz dem bouxcuengh di it cungj honggaiq......Vunz yinghgwzlanz caeuq vunz meij goz couh dwg yiengh neix guh,gyoengq de yungh it cunghj venzsw yidungj ma geiq roengz daengx seiqgyaiq dih it ciet .yaek couq giz dah minz cuz gyauhliuz couh doeng gvaq Boux hoizvah ma guh dox rox.. Boux cuengh raeuz seiz neix daih bouhfaenh mbouj ndaej aeu sawcuengh ma son gyauq lwg nyez, lwg nyez raeuz youq yozyauq ngaiz aeu sam cungj venzsw venzva ma hag dox gaiq ,caux benz lwg nyez ukgyaeuj luenhnyaeb,mbouj miz gag rox ngvanh,gah rox sij,gag rox hag, gag rox guh dih nengz lig..lwg nyez raeuz youq ranz youq mbanj gangj vahcuengh , youq yozyau hag sawgun ,gauj dayoz aeu hag yinghvenz .langqfeiq goengrengz langqfeiq cienzcaiz .doengzseiz hag dox gaiq hag ndaej mbouj laeg,mbouj gvangq,mbouj vaiq. Lwg nyez boux cuengh daih bouh faenh mbouj ndaej hag bonjfaenh minzcuz gij lizsij ,cihsaw caeuq cuenghcoj sawfwen.mbouj ndaej cix mbouj rox vih bouxcuengh venzva mbefat guh goeng rengz.
 Benz lawz aeu cungj venz sw venzva ndeu hag seuq seigyai it ciet doxgaiq ne?
 Souj sien aeu guh laeb gohyoz cienz miemh di gaiqniemh cihsiz yiqdungj! Couh dwg naeuz doiq seiqgyaiq gwnz it ciet doxgaiq aeu saw cuengh gaiqniemh byauj si ok daeuj. Aeu gaiqniemh byaujsiq seiz aeu miz guihliz miz daep nem. lumjbenz,ancoh hawjdaengx duzhaenx,boux cuengh coj raeuz an de heuh duz guk duz nyaen duz ma duz meuz caeuh miz guihliz caeuh ndei geiq, aeu duz gijmaz gaiqniemh yidungj ma an coh hawj daengx duz mbin daengx duz byaij haenx caeuh gig goh yoz. Cungj byaujsi fuengfap neix caemh ndaej yungh ma geiq roengz seigyaiq gwnz dih itciet . dang yienz saw cuengh gaiqniemh yiqdungj guh laeb aeu miz cienvunz bae guh aeu cienvunz bae laeb,aeu cienvunz bae ngvanh .ngvanh,gangj,sij guh,ngvanhgangj,ngvanhsij ngvanh guh dwg lwgcuengh raeuz aeu daj iq couh aeu lienh gi bonjsaeh .Lumj baenz aen ‘car’ ci lingzgienq gaiq niemh yi dungj aeu saw cuengh ma byauj siq ,aeu vah cuengh ma heuh de,baenz lawz heuh ndaej ndei youh ndei geiq ?ngamj boux cuengh raeuz yungh.?lumj benz dieg mingzcoh gaiq niemh yidungj ,vunz ndaw ndang daej dox gai gaiqniemh yidungj ,guh ranzlouz gaiqniemh cihsiz dijyiq,yawjbingh ywbingh gingniemh cihisiz dijyi, guh gak yiengh gunghcwngz gohyoz gainiemh cihsiz dijyi,ciuq vunz yinghgoz meijgoz heuh dwg ceiq gohyoz ,ciuq vah bouxcuengh raeuz heuh,baenz lawz heuh ndaej ndei?heuh ndaej ngamj?ciuq cih sawgun heuh mbouj gohyoz dwg seiqgyai yawjfap. aen vih sawgun dih gainiemh dijyi mbouj miz gveihliz, mbouj vanzcwngj. lingh vaih saw gun yidungj cihsaw moq gig noix ,bungqdaengz gainiemh moq cij ndaej aeu cihsaw gouq ma dingj, yienghneix guh dwg mbouj gohyoz dih,yungz heih caux benz gaiqniemh dox gyonx ,lumj benz youq cih sawgun ndaw de, mbangj cih saw daibyauj haujlai gaiqniemh hamz eiq,rox naeuz doengz it cih saw lai cungj yungh fam ,rox naeuz mbangj cih saw youq mbouj doengz deih fueng yungh couh daiq byauj mbouj doengz hamzeiq.dwngj., raeuz dawz sawgun hoiz benzsawcuengh seiz aeu cuyi diuz neix.mienx ndaej caux benz gaiq niemh dox gyonx. Sawcuengh aeu fat cienq ,couh aeu hawj de miz giengz daih fatcienq naengz lig ,couh aeu miz gohyoz dih gaiq niemh yidungj caeuq cienz miemh di cihsiz dijyi guh demhdaej, yienghneix sawcuengh cij ndaej mbefat. cij ndaej guh menh guh ak,cij ndaej hawj boux cuengh lwg lan raeuz yungh de hag de.dawz gak aen cihsiz dijyi guh benz cijdauj bouxcuengh guh laeb gak hangz gak yieb ,hawj boux cuengh faen hong faen hangz faen yieb caux guh hong saeh.yinxbyaij bouxcuengh seqvei fatcienq. Hag saw cuengh caemh ndaej ok goh yoz gyah.ok gak conhyez cihsiz boux conhgyah.
 Bouxcuengh aeu gaijgiet di gohyoz gaiqniemh yidungj gig lai.seiz neix senj diemj geij gienh jihbenj gaiqniemh dijyi ma beijgangj: 1 );Diegmingzcoh gainiemh yidungj. Lumj benz ,roen gijmaz dijyi : Roen suengjgyiuz , roen baeksaek ,roen doeng namznihgz ,roen doeng liujcouh. Bya gijmaz gaiqniemh dijyi,lumj bya daqmingz , byameuh dwngj .Aeu [ roen + dieg mingzcoh] [ roendoeng +dieg mingzcoh ] byaujsiq diuz roen ndaej leih lwglan hag geiq,youh miz guihliz miz daepnem miz fueng yiengq. 2).Vunz bouxcuengh mingzcoh an coh dijyi :aeu sawcuengh an coh benzlawz an cij ndaej hawj boux cuengh caeuq vunz hancuz miz faen biet,doengzseizbyauj mingz dwg it boux sauj suq minz cuz(byauj mingz mwngz dwg sauj suq minzcuz ndei cawqdwg :raeuz gangj bujdungh vah caeuq boux hancuz gyauh liuz seiz gangj ndaej mbouj byauh cinj vunz ndaej lijgaij mwngz,mbouj dwg mwngz mbouj coengminz,dwg gangj mbouj gvenq ) ,doengzseiz,boux cuengh an cih coh hamz eiq aeu gek ndaej cih sawgun,gij neix dwg boux cuengh raeuz daih daih aeu ngvanh dih saeh cinghz, youq sawgun gaemguenj it ciet aen seigyaiq neix ,an coh dwg it hangh saeh naek .an ndaej mbouj ndei,benz seiq yukyamq.aeu guhlaeb bouxcuengh ancoh dijyiq,an coh guh fat mizhaujlai cungj,lumj benz :dieg seng cih sawmeh gonq gya mingz coh an fap .lumj gou seng youq mbanj giz mauz an coh gun heuh Luz dwzsanh ancoh bouxcuengh couh heuh : G dwzsanh Loeg,yienghneix an coh,caeuq sawgun miz faenbietcouh miz dox dem,cojgoeng cih singq ndaej baujlaeuz.lij ndaej swnh daengxseiq gyaiq boux yungh cih sawmeh lah dingh gij funghsug.Boux cuengh aeu saw gun ancoh ,gijneix bonj laiz couh dwg it cungj minzcuz yawj ngawz cwngqswz gya hawj bouxcuengh dih it cungj byaujyenq,aenvih bouxcuengh mbouj miz bonj faenh cih saw,hauj lai gainiemh ngaiz aeu saw gun byaujsiq,giz saenh,dongz it aen gaiq niemh,aeu yinghvenz byauj siq engq gya gohyoz, boux cuengh raeuz boux rox yinghvenz mbouj dawz de hoiz ok daeuj,raeuz couh ngaiz aeu saw gun byauj siq,ciq cih sawgun ma guh boux cuengh sawcuengh gaiqniemh lij lau deg mbouj gohyoz. 3) Lij miz doeng go gijmaz an coh gai niemh dijyi, ndaw raemx doengh duz an coh gai niemh dijyi ,ciuq vunz yingh goz meij goz an di gohyoz gaiq niemh dijyi,ciuq vunz boux gun an dih dieg mingzcoh gainiemh diyi dengj.yinghyij ndaw de gaiq niemh yidungj ceiq cienzmiemh,ceiq gohyoz ,mbangj aen gai niemh aeu vunz mingh bae vuenh cij ndaej ok cih de,mbangj aen gainiemh bae ngaenz cien ngaenz fanh cij ndaej ok cih de .vih liux yinghvenz cihsiz di siencinq ,gohyoz caeuq yienz muenx, sawj gwnz seigyai soj miz dox gai,hag yingh venz ndaej rox set,vunz yinghgoz douz roengz ngaenz cien ik fanh ik bae guh gak cungj gak yiengh gainiemh cihsiz dijyi,dwk roengz aen ‘computer’ baj debbuenz, hawj daengx seiqgyai vunz lumj fatfung ne bae hag de,yiengh neix gij venz va de couh gig dijcienz.Lumj benz binghdoeg gaiq niemh dijyiq, cungguek raeuz couh mbouj miz gij de rox naeuz miz gij de mbouj cienz miemh.,miz gij binghdoeg youq gwnz seiq ,doeg saw gun couh mbouj rox gij binghdoeg mingzcoh de caeuq gij yw fap gaij fap de.vunz yinghgoz douz roengz ngaenz cien ik, dawz gwnz di gyiuz soj miz binghdoeg couq vunz caux bingh doeg guh benz bingh doeg an coh gainienh cisiz dijyi,mbouj lwnh gij maz bingh doeg,rox it yeingh couh an it yiengh coh hawj de,doengzseiz doiq saen binghdoeg,mbouj insik douz cienz ngaenz bae yenz giuq de.hawj aen minz cuz de mbouj lau binghdoeg haih dai. Youq gwnz seigyaiq,fazgoz,dwzgoz,sihbanhyaz,itbenj,geij aen guek gya neix cungj miz it dauq yienzmuenx vanzcwngj dih gaiqniemh cihsiz dijyi,aen minzcuz de youq cwngqciq gwnz baenz lawz gung baenz lawz souj,ginghsiq gwnz baenz lawz guh baenz lawz faeuq,venzva gwnz baenz lawz bien baenz lawz yienj baenz law aeu cihsaw dox giet aen minzcuz de ,baenzlawz guh ndaej daez sang aen minz cuz de youq seiqgyaiqz gwnz dieg vih,doenghgij neix gyongq de guh ndaej gig ndei.
 Guh ndei cienz mienh couq wanzcwngj di saw cuengh gaiq niemh dijyi dwg saw cuengh fat cienq it dingh souj sien guh dih daih saeh,mbouj miz yiengh neix ,saw cuengh couh bienq benz it dauq mbouj miz yungh di ,doek laeng vunz di it cungj mbouj dijcienz dih sawcuengh..miz liux vanzcwngh dih gainiemh dijyi cij ndaej guh ok vanzcwngj dih cihsiz dijyi,sawcuengh miz liux van cwngj di cihsiz dijyi,couh dwg boux cuengh it bit caiz bauj,bit caiz bauj neix mbouj danh ndaej hawj bouxcuengh raeuz faeuq,lij ndaej hawj bouxcuengh raeuz giengz daih,coengmingz.
 Aeu guh laeb ndaej byauj si daengx seiqgyaiq soj miz doxgai dih saw cuengh gainiemh cihsiz dijyi,Caeuh aeu guh laeb saw cuengh cisiz baujguq.aeu guh laeb sawcuengh cisiz bauj guq,caeuh aeu daengx bouxcuengh raeuz it heij bae guh,boux rox sawgun caeuh aeu gij saw gun cihsiz haenx hoiz baenz sawcuengh cihsiz, boux rox yingh venz ,caeuh aeu yingh venz hag rox gij cihsiz haenx hoiz baenz saw cuengh ,yiengh neix ,boux guh boux rom,it daih gya it daih, gya lai sawcuengh cih siz dijyi ,hawj lwg lan raeuz doenggvaq hag saw cuengh hag rox daengx seigyai cihsiz.vunz hanzgoz caemh dwg yiengh neix guh,gyongq de vunz dieg couq boux cuengh raeuz ca mbouj geij lai,hoeng mbefat ndaej gig vaiq,vih gijmaz?gyoengqde couh dwg yiengh neix guh,seizneix cingcaih guh.
 Saw gun dwg ging gvaq geij cien bi cij ndaej guh daengz yiengh neix ,gohyoz lij doek laeng vaihguek baen seiq haj cib bi .youq gwnz seiqgyaiq,daih bouh faenh vunz nyinh naeuz saw gun dwg mbouj goh yoz dih,mbouj ndei sawj yungh di .lumj benz lwgnyez gou daj sam bi haeuj hag doeg saw ,daengz siuj yoz doeg sat ok yoz yauq,gungh hag liux 9 bi saw gun..,lij mbouj rox yungh buj dungh vah caeuq bohmeh gyauliuz,sij mbouj benz bien 200 cih saw ngoenz geiq .yungh buj dungh vah gangj bonj faenh soj hag dih cihsiz ,gangj mbouj daengz 5 faen cung,biuj daz nwngzlig ca.lwg gvai bienq lwg ngawz. Yiengh neix Lwg raeuz couq lwg meijgoz lwg yinghgwzlanz lwg itbenj,lwg hanzgoz couh ceng ndaej gyae lo-----. Aenvih saw gun dwg guek gya caezgya yungh dih venzswq. Lwgngez mbouj hag mbouj ndaej , gag gou fanj duiq mbouj miz yungh ,. aeu saw gun ma hag cihsiz, dwg gig menh dih,gij neix couh dwg cunghguek gohgi fatcien beij seiqgyaiq doeklaeng di yenzyinh,caemh dwg gvangj sih sevei, cwngci, venzva, ginghsi fatcienq beij fatdad guekgya doeklaeng ,beij daengx guek doek laeng di yenz yinh.aen vih boux cuengh raeuz aeu saw gun hag doxgaiq beij han cuz vunz engq gya dwg rengz.Lingh vaih vunz hancuz doiq vunz saujsu minz cuz son hag guh bauj souj,de it dingh miz gauhcungh,cij ndaej hawj mwngz miz siujyoz,de itdingh miz bozsw,cij ndaej hawj mwngz miz gauh cungh,de it dingh beij mwngz sang geij gaep,cij ndaej hawj mwngz hag gij de.gangjbeg dwg naeuz hawj raeuz geux yaq oij de.
 Boux cuengh aeu fat cienq ,Souj sien guh ndei bouxcuengh cujsiz cwngq ci dijyiq,fanjduiq gij maz,mbefat gij maz,baujhoq gijmaz ,guh gijnaz hongsaeh , cungj aeu miz aen sujsiz bae bauj cwngq.miz liux sujsiz bauj cwng,cijndaej bae rom cienz ngaenz,gauj ginghsi yienz haeuh cij ndaej guh venzva,yienz haeuh caiq yungh ceiq siencin dih venzva ma bangcoh mbefat bouxcuengh cwngci cujsiz ,guh giengz guh menh buoxcuengh cujsiz.yienz haeuh cij ndaej gya vaiq fatcienq bouxcuengh ginghsiq,guh gij doxgai hawj vunz bouxcueng youq ndaej an onj ,gwn ndaej gij ndei,maj ndaej swh yienz haenx. Cwngci ginghsiq venva hoenxciengq dwg nem youq it heij,youh dox bang youh dox dam.noix yiengh mbouj benz saeh.guh ndei le,bouxcuengh seqvei couh ndaej fat cienq lo.bouxcuengh couhndaej youq gwnz diqgiuz miz veqdieg gwnyouq lo!

 







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简单总结一下错误或不规范的地方：
一、大写和小写的问题：每个句子的第一个词汇的第一个字母一定要大写，和国家、民族、民族语言有关的专用名词一定要大写第一个字母，人名地名的第一个字母一定要大写，这些都是所有拉丁字母文字最基本的拼写常识，Ayingj贝侬的壮文在这点上十分欠缺，希望能够彻底改观。
如：Sawcuengh （壮文）经常写成 sawcuengh，Meizgoz（美国）经常写成meizgoz，Sawgun（汉语）经常写为sawgun，一个句子以句号、问好、感叹号结束后，下一个句子开头的字母都不大写，这些都是不规范的。
二、按词连写问题：每个词汇按词连写，Ayingj贝侬的壮文在这点上也把握不准，相信多看壮文文章，多注意词汇的定义和性质，应该可以把握好。
如：Sawcuengh（壮文）经常写为 saw cuengh，Bouxcuengh（壮族）经常写成 Boux cuengh，Buhdunghva （普通话）经常写为 buh dungh vaq ，都是不规范的。
三、调类符号问题：汉语新借词的第四调调值，在武鸣话中虽然与民族词的第五调一样，但是标准语则采用不用标调，和壮文的第一调一样，而不是和第五调一样，Ayingj贝侬这点可能没有注意到。
如：vwnzva（文化）经常写为 vwnzvaq，cwngci（政治）经常写为cwngqciq，都是不规范的。
四、en、wn、aen的区分不准，这个应该很容易区分，相信加强注意就可以解决。
如：vwnzva （文化）经常写为 venva ，baenz（成）经常写为 benz，maenh（坚固，稳固）经常写为menh，都是错误的。
五、“系统”“体系”的写法上，y和h声母混淆，这点加强壮式西南官话的水平应该可以改进，如：
“系统”应该是 hidungj 而错写为 yidungj，“体系”应该是 dijhi 而总错写为 dijyi。
六、“大明山”的壮文应该按照当地壮族人对这座山的壮语称呼 Byacwz 来写，而不是 Bya Daqmingz。“百色”的壮文也应该按照当地壮语的称呼为 Baksaek而不是Baeksaek.
七，其他还有一些小错误，如ou和aeu不分（caeuq经常错写为couq），ginghci(经济)经常错写为ginghsi，以及某些调类符号标错等。

Ayingj 发表于 2004-5-14 21:02:00

Docih gyoengq beixnuegx dingcingq! Gou dwg it mienh hoi bak byoenx,itmienh sij, bien fenzcieng neix mbouj miz aeu sawgun sij gvaq,caemh mbouj ndaej hawj gyoengq beixnuengx hoiz baenz Sawgun,rox naeuz hoiz baenz gizdah cihsaw,aen vih gij fuengfap neix dwg moix it aen minzcuz cihsaw itdingh aeu byaij ,bouxlawz byaij ndaej haeh,aen minzcuz lawz couh mbefat ndaej heih,miz bouhfaenh guh fap yijgingh saedhengz. Docih beixnuengx , Vih Bouxcuengh mbe fat caeuq gyiengzdaih okrengz !

Ayingj 发表于 2004-5-14 21:22:00

Cih saw gaijhoiz: Gvaengxmbwn__ 宇宙 Honggaiq__工具 Cuenghcoj __ 壮族先辈 Daepnem__连接 Cwngqcwz__ 政策 Gizsaenh__Gizsaed__其实 Dijcienz__ 值钱 Yienj__演 Vedieg__vengqdieg __ 一片地

byaraiz 发表于 2004-5-15 14:41:00

红棉树贝侬真够耐心，这么仔细地检查了原文所有的错误和不规范。
Ayingj贝侬“自创”的词汇挺有新意，可惜有的词犯了壮语语法错误。
“壮族先辈”——Cuenghcoj ，明显是照抄汉语语法来组词，和壮语语法相反了，如果一定要这么造词，也应该是 coj Cuengh 而不是Cuenghcoj
“政策”是 cwngcwz 而不是 cwngqcwz ，理由是红棉树贝侬13楼总结错误的第三点。
“值钱”是 daejcienz 而不是 dijcienz ，dij 是新借词，cienz是老借词，新借词和老借词直接合并为一个词是很别扭的。
“工具”如果一定要这么造词，也应该是 gaiqhong 而不是 honggaiq
[此贴子已经被作者于2004-5-15 14:41:52编辑过]

壮人发表于 2004-5-15 14:59:00

“梅”贵县“WANG” 吗！

lwgyungh 发表于 2004-5-17 10:39:00

dijcienz在《壮汉词汇》里已作为推荐词列出，属于规范词，在报刊上的很多文章中使用频率也较高。 honggaiq 一词，我认为可取，因为武鸣人就是这么讲的（Ayingj贝侬的老家就在广西壮文学校旁边），这个词的构词法应该看成与doxgaiq一词的构词法相同。

duzdinz 发表于 2004-5-17 17:19:00

好像我以前听过壮语文广播学校中工具的说法是hongdawz

闻多发表于 2004-5-17 21:04:00

“值钱”我家乡话说成daejngaenz。“东西”或"物品"是doxyiengh

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