marsuncle 发表于 2004-5-5 20:57:00

支持,待我学成后用壮文发帖子

雷僮-贝侬 发表于 2004-5-21 01:30:00

不是容易不容易学的问题。而是统一教材问题。现在好象好少有统一的壮文面市哦。

雷僮-贝侬 发表于 2004-5-21 01:31:00

红棉树-被侬可在这里向大家推荐这类的书籍

Stoneman 发表于 2004-5-21 06:51:00

<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>郁水啸翁</I>在2004-2-26 10:56:16的发言:</B>
我花了3个晚上就搞清楚拼音壮文方案和拼写规则,然后就可以用方言写洋洋洒洒的文章了。但要弄懂壮语字典里的其他词汇(别的方言词用作标准词)以及别人按照标准壮文和标准语法(实际上壮文还没有所谓标准语法),必须不断翻书。感觉是不同的作者都有自己偏爱的而别人未必看懂或欣赏的语法和写作风格。这就是我所说的令人“怒发冲冠”的地方。......</DIV>
<P>I have similar experience in learning Sawcuengh. I spent less than five hours on learning the basic rules of Sawcuengh and now I can read and write some Sawcuengh. If you speak Cuengh, it is easy to learn Sawcuengh. As you read more and more Sawcuengh, you may like it and then you may want to talk with our Cuengh friends here in Sawcuengh. The first thing you need to do is learn Sawcuengh. </P>

Stoneman 发表于 2004-5-21 06:52:00

<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>marsuncle</I>在2004-5-5 20:57:31的发言:</B>
支持,待我学成后用壮文发帖子</DIV>

Good!!!  I am looking forward to reading your 壮文帖子.

Stoneman 发表于 2004-5-21 06:58:00

<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>闻多</I>在2004-2-25 19:47:52的发言:</B>
能学好英语的壮人,没有道理说学不好壮文的。我总有一天学会!</DIV>
<P>Sawcuengh is much easier to learn than English. If more and more well-educated Bouxcuengh start learning and using Sawcuengh, there will be hope for the development and promotion of Sawcuengh. I am looking forward to talking with you in Sawcuengh in the near future. </P>

Stoneman 发表于 2004-5-21 07:07:00

<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>lwgyungh</I>在2004-2-24 17:37:12的发言:</B>
   不知贝侬们注意到没有,进入我们僚人家园的贝侬,大部分都还是壮文盲。我们口口声声说要极力推行壮文,就连我们这些民族文化的热心人都不肯学,还有什么资格要求其他贝侬学呢?我们论坛里的情况,也许就是壮族地区推行壮文的缩影吧?!
   我还是在其它贴子里说过的那句话:学用壮文,从我做起。</DIV>
<P>
<P>Lwgyungh Beixnuengh, mwngz rox Sawcuengh, mwngz baj vah mwngz baijgwnz aeu Sawcuengh daeuj sij hawz raeuz hag ndaej mbouj ndaej? </P>
<P>Gaqlaengh, danghnaeuz mwngz yaek youq neix gangj vah, mwngz sij Sawcueng caeuq Sawgun song cungh vwcij doiqciuq ndaej mbouj ndaej? Docih mwngz.</P>

沧海曾为水 发表于 2004-5-21 18:06:00

<P>不说壮语的人学习壮文,最大的困惑来源于词汇,其次才是语音。看懂拼音方案和拼音规则不算什么!:(</P>

沧海曾为水 发表于 2004-5-21 18:23:00

所幸的是这样的人占的比重不多,可略去不计。但壮语其实没有统一过,所以各地各有说法,各村落之间可能都存在不同,需要统一,制定“标准语”。但没有经济基础和法律手段,标准语实际上很难推广。当然,如果只有论坛的人使用,还是可以统一的:)呵呵

宁静致远 发表于 2004-5-21 23:15:00

<B>以下是引用<I>Stoneman</I>在2004-5-21 6:51:30的发言:</B>


<P>. I spent less than five hours on learning the basic rules of Sawcuengh and now I can read and write some Sawcuengh. If you speak Cuengh, it is easy to learn Sawcuengh. As you read more and more Sawcuengh, you may like it and then you may want to talk with our Cuengh friends here in Sawcuengh. The first thing you need to do is learn Sawcuengh. </P>你英文那么好,又会说壮话,几个小时当然能学会了。我周围的人大都会说壮话,但我只能听懂百分之三十,更不要提说了。能给我一些建议吗?六岁以前我只会说壮话,但现在我只会说桂柳话。

沧海曾为水 发表于 2004-5-22 00:29:00

我只会柳州话 比你更难学了

lwgyungh 发表于 2004-5-24 17:36:00

<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>Stoneman</I>在2004-5-21 7:07:36的发言:</B>



<P>
<P>Lwgyungh Beixnuengh, mwngz rox Sawcuengh, mwngz baj vah mwngz baijgwnz aeu Sawcuengh daeuj sij hawz raeuz hag ndaej mbouj ndaej? </P>
<P>Gaqlaengh, danghnaeuz mwngz yaek youq neix gangj vah, mwngz sij Sawcueng caeuq Sawgun song cungh vwcij doiqciuq ndaej mbouj ndaej? Docih mwngz.</P></DIV>
<P>

    Baenz ha,gou sikhaet couh guh. </P>
<P>       不知贝侬们注意到没有,进入我们僚人家园的贝侬,大部分都还是壮文盲。我们口口声声说要极力推行壮文,就连我们这些民族文化的热心人都不肯学,还有什么资格要求其他贝侬学呢?我们论坛里的情况,也许就是壮族地区推行壮文的缩影吧?!
   我还是在其它贴子里说过的那句话:学用壮文,从我做起。
    Mbouj rox gyoengq beixnuengx haeujsim mbouj,gyoengq beix nuengx daeuj Ranz Bouxraeuz neix,dingzlai cungj mbouj rox Sawcuengh.Raeuz coenzcoenz cungj naeuz yaek aeu haenqrengz doihengz Sawcuengh,hoeng doengh boux ndatsim minzcuz vwnzva neix cix mbouj haengj hag Sawcuengh raeuz,lij miz gijmaz swhgwz yiugouz gyoengq beixnuengx wnq hag ne?Gij cingzgvang ndaw lundanz dangqnaj,lauheiq couh dwg aenngaeuz diegcuengh doihengz Sawcuengh ba?!
      Gou lij dwg naeuz coenz vah youq dieb wnq gangj gvaq haenx:Hag Yungh Sawcuengh,Daj Gou Guh Hwnj.</P>

[此贴子已经被作者于2004-5-25 11:03:18编辑过]

dupan 发表于 2004-5-24 18:25:00

如何学?

古榕 发表于 2004-6-5 21:32:00

说到学壮文,不想学的人就是理由多多,其实如果会讲壮语的话,谁都不会很难学,北壮不管是哪个地方,基本上都是差不多的,我那次去敢壮山,我还是能听懂田阳壮话,那晚和小刘在山上跟一个田阳阿姨学唱田阳山歌也能听懂大概意思,家园里的贝侬都是文化很高的人,英语学行那么好,为什么学本民族的文字就头痛呢,依我看这只是一个借口,标准壮也不难学,只是和方言的调不同,大部分词类还是一样的,我虽说是武鸣的,其实我家乡讲的壮语和标准壮还是有很大出入,我发的一些壮文贴子也是用壮准壮写的,学壮文的最大好处是可以学其它壮语方言,不过这要有课本,不然也很难学到标准壮,可是还是可以先拼写本地方言嘛.

gohshuai 发表于 2004-6-9 16:44:00

<P>壮语我会呀,可是不不知道壮文, 我们的祖先一定某种文字,后来不知怎么给灭了,既然这样了,我们为什么不创造一种更好学的,更有价值的文字,比如,我们可以用泰文字。</P><P>要想年轻人学习壮语,先得让他们有民族自豪感,得让他们有自我意识和壮族集体意识。要做到这一点是很难的。很多生活好一点的壮族人都以说汉语为荣。觉得说壮语是丢脸的,甚至有些人不让自己的孩子说壮语。这是事实。</P><P>痛!!!!</P>

Stoneman 发表于 2004-6-12 10:05:00

<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>lwgyungh</I>在2004-5-24 17:36:55的发言:</B>



<P>

    Baenz ha,gou sikhaet couh guh. </P>
<P>       不知贝侬们注意到没有,进入我们僚人家园的贝侬,大部分都还是壮文盲。我们口口声声说要极力推行壮文,就连我们这些民族文化的热心人都不肯学,还有什么资格要求其他贝侬学呢?我们论坛里的情况,也许就是壮族地区推行壮文的缩影吧?!
   我还是在其它贴子里说过的那句话:学用壮文,从我做起。
    Mbouj rox gyoengq beixnuengx haeujsim mbouj,gyoengq beix nuengx daeuj Ranz Bouxraeuz neix,dingzlai cungj mbouj rox Sawcuengh.Raeuz coenzcoenz cungj naeuz yaek aeu haenqrengz doihengz Sawcuengh,hoeng doengh boux ndatsim minzcuz vwnzva neix cix mbouj haengj hag Sawcuengh raeuz,lij miz gijmaz swhgwz yiugouz gyoengq beixnuengx wnq hag ne?Gij cingzgvang ndaw lundanz dangqnaj,lauheiq couh dwg aenngaeuz diegcuengh doihengz Sawcuengh ba?!
      Gou lij dwg naeuz coenz vah youq dieb wnq gangj gvaq haenx:Hag Yungh Sawcuengh,Daj Gou Guh Hwnj.</P></DIV>
<P>
<P>Daegyungh,</P>
<P>(Dear Mr. Lwgyungh)</P>
<P>Gou youq neix couh dohci mwngz baenzneix guh. Gou da'aenh (print) gij coenz mwngz roengzdaeuj lo, guh hong baema ranz liux ne ndaej hoengq seiz couh dawz gij coenz mwngz okdaeuj hag Sawcuengh. </P>
<P>(Here I thank you very much for doing what you have said. I have printed your response so that I can take it out to learn the Zhuang script when I am free after I am off from work.)</P>
<P>Mwngz bae gvaq hagngauh Sawcuengh cienqmonh hag gvaq Sawcuengh, mwngz haenjdingh rox Sawcuengh lai gvaq vunzlai. Danghnaeuz mwngz miz seizgan, mwngz couh sij lai di Sawcuengh boiq Sawgun, baenzneix ne beixnuengx raeuz couh miz lai di givei daeuj hag Sawcuengh. Mwngz hix rox daengz, seixneix youq haw daeuj mij miz geijlai saw Sawcuengh gai, haohlai beixnuengx yaek hag Sawcuengh, hoeng, mij miz saw Sawcuengh daeuj son'gyau gyoengzde. Danghnaeuz mwngz youq neix gangj song cungh coenz ne, mwngz couh dwkrengz di lo. Hoeng, ngoenzlaengh beixnuengh raeuz cungj geij ndaej mwngz ge. </P>
<P>(You attended the Zhuang School specializing in Zhuang script before. Certainly you know the Zhuang script much better than the ordinary people. If you have time, would you please write in both Zhuang and Chinese so that our brothers and sisters would have more opportunities to learn the Zhuang script. You may know that there are few Zhuang books for sale in the current market. Many of our brothers and sisters want to learn our Zhuang script, but there is no Zhuang book available to teach them. If you talk in two languages here, you would need to work pretty hard. Our brothers and sisters, however, will remember you in the future for what you have done for us.)</P>
[此贴子已经被作者于2004-6-12 10:17:20编辑过]

沙南曼森 发表于 2004-6-12 10:59:00

<P><FONT color=#000066><B>Stoneman</B></FONT>贝侬说得对。像<FONT color=#990000><B>lwgyungh</B></FONT>这样接受过正规壮文教育的贝侬应该多作奉献,将你们学习和使用壮文的体会告诉大家,编一些壮文学习的通俗教材,比如lozmingz贝侬首先推出的“壮汉五百句”,发到这里供大家学习。lozmingz贝侬还只是学生,课余时间有限,<FONT color=#990000><B>lwgyungh</B></FONT>等贝侬就多费点心了。</P>
<P>我至今还没找到合适的壮文教材,不然我这种“不会游泳的游泳教练”也早就上阵了。我也就玩些“壮文方案与汉语拼音对照”、“布依文与壮文、汉语拼音对照”之类的小儿科了,涉及词汇、语句、篇章的我可玩不来。真正会壮文的一些贝侬迟迟不上阵,我们也只好继续等待了。</P>
<P>以下是<FONT color=#990000><B>lwgyungh</B></FONT>贝侬发过的部分帖子。你的贡献我们不会视若无物的,但我认为你在这方面还可以有更大的作为。</P>
<P>建议讨论壮文的贝侬先学壮文——lwgyungh
<a href="http://www.rauz.net/bbs/dispbbs.asp?boardID=21&amp;ID=2026" target="_blank" >http://www.rauz.net/bbs/dispbbs.asp?boardID=21&amp;ID=2026</A></P>
<P>Hagyungh Sawcuengh,Daj Gou Guh Hwnj 学用壮文,从我做起——lwgyungh
<a href="http://www.rauz.net/bbs/dispbbs.asp?boardID=21&amp;ID=2022" target="_blank" >http://www.rauz.net/bbs/dispbbs.asp?boardID=21&amp;ID=2022</A></P>
<P>进入僚人家园的贝侬都有应该学壮文——lwgyungh
<a href="http://www.rauz.net/bbs/dispbbs.asp?boardID=9&amp;ID=3324" target="_blank" >http://www.rauz.net/bbs/dispbbs.asp?boardID=9&amp;ID=3324</A></P>
<P>广西目前有大量的壮文师资--lwgyungh
<a href="http://www.rauz.net/bbs/dispbbs.asp?boardID=9&amp;ID=3321" target="_blank" >http://www.rauz.net/bbs/dispbbs.asp?boardID=9&amp;ID=3321</A></P>
<P>[转帖]北京“两会”继续使用壮语壮文——lwgyungh
<a href="http://www.rauz.net/bbs/dispbbs.asp?boardID=9&amp;ID=3338" target="_blank" >http://www.rauz.net/bbs/dispbbs.asp?boardID=9&amp;ID=3338</A></P>
<P>也谈壮文借词——lwgyungh
<a href="http://www.rauz.net/bbs/dispbbs.asp?boardID=20&amp;ID=4769" target="_blank" >http://www.rauz.net/bbs/dispbbs.asp?boardID=20&amp;ID=4769</A></P>
<P>僚语与粤语有何关系?——lwgyungh
<a href="http://www.rauz.net/bbs/dispbbs.asp?boardID=22&amp;ID=3778" target="_blank" >http://www.rauz.net/bbs/dispbbs.asp?boardID=22&amp;ID=3778</A></P>
<P>不要再攻击“桂柳话”了——lwgyungh
<a href="http://www.rauz.net/bbs/dispbbs.asp?boardID=22&amp;ID=4753" target="_blank" >http://www.rauz.net/bbs/dispbbs.asp?boardID=22&amp;ID=4753</A></P>
<P>FWEN BAZGOH 拔哥山歌——lwgyungh
<a href="http://www.rauz.net/bbs/dispbbs.asp?boardID=21&amp;ID=2037" target="_blank" >http://www.rauz.net/bbs/dispbbs.asp?boardID=21&amp;ID=2037</A></P>
[此贴子已经被作者于2004-6-12 11:29:33编辑过]

桂柳僚 发表于 2004-6-13 03:10:00

<P>给个词汇表吧 我一一记下来。比如 </P><P>僚语词汇表</P><P>gou-我 mwngz-你 bya-鱼/山 XXX(桂北语)XXX(靖德语)XXX(渐旧)</P><P>。。。不会读都无所谓</P>

veizswhdwz 发表于 2006-4-5 21:49:00

<P>I wanna learn Zhuang language.who can teach me! Help!</P>

萧萧瑟瑟 发表于 2006-4-12 14:21:00

<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>lwgyungh</I>在2004-2-24 17:37:12的发言:</B><BR>
<P>   不知贝侬们注意到没有,进入我们僚人家园的贝侬,大部分都还是壮文盲。我们口口声声说要极力推行壮文,就连我们这些民族文化的热心人都不肯学,还有什么资格要求其他贝侬学呢?我们论坛里的情况,也许就是壮族地区推行壮文的缩影吧?!<BR>   我还是在其它贴子里说过的那句话:学用壮文,从我做起。</P>
<P>    <FONT color=#e6421a>Mbouj rox gyoengq beixnuengx haeujsim mbouj,gyoengq beix nuengx daeuj Ranz Bouxraeuz neix,dingzlai cungj mbouj rox Sawcuengh.Raeuz coenzcoenz cungj naeuz yaek aeu haenqrengz doihengz Sawcuengh,hoeng doengh boux ndatsim minzcuz vwnzva neix cix mbouj haengj hag Sawcuengh raeuz,lij miz gijmaz swhgwz yiugouz gyoengq beixnuengx wnq hag ne?Gij cingzgvang ndaw lundanz dangqnaj,lauheiq couh dwg aenngaeuz diegcuengh doihengz Sawcuengh ba?!<BR>     Gou lij dwg naeuz coenz vah youq dieb wnq gangj gvaq haenx:Hag Yungh Sawcuengh,Daj Gou Guh Hwnj.</FONT></P><BR><BR></DIV>
<P>  我觉得壮文“单词”?这样说对吗?很多单词的字母都很多,一定很难记!我认为这种多字母单词很不合理,为什么就不能尽量简化呢(当然是不可能的啦)?英文的多字母单词相对要少些。</P>
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