iunn5 发表于 2008-1-22 18:37:00

壯侗語「柚子pau1」之詳細說法

<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><font size="3"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">請高人提供壯侗語「柚子</span><span lang="FR"><font face="Times New Roman">pau1</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">」在各區域之詳細說法</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><font size="3"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">以</span><span lang="FR"><font face="Times New Roman">1</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">、</span><span lang="FR"><font face="Times New Roman">2</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">、</span><span lang="FR"><font face="Times New Roman">3</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">、</span><span lang="FR"><font face="Times New Roman">4</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">、</span><span lang="FR"><font face="Times New Roman">5</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">、</span><span lang="FR"><font face="Times New Roman">6</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">、</span><span lang="FR"><font face="Times New Roman">7</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">、</span><span lang="FR"><font face="Times New Roman">8 </font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">分別代表陰平、陽平、陰上、陽上、陰去、陽去、陰入、陽入調。</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><font size="3"><span style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">閩南話</span><span lang="FR"><font face="Times New Roman">lio2 pau1</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">是「妃子笑荔枝」,</span><span lang="FR"><font face="Times New Roman">lio2</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">就是「樆」字,<span style="COLOR: black;">關于</span></span><span style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">閩南話</span><span style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">支韻系</span><span style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">字讀作</span><span lang="FR" style="COLOR: black;"><font face="Times New Roman">-io</font></span><span style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">之例子參看</span><span style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">〈中古漢語的輔音、元音跟閩南話之特殊輔音、元音對照稿〉支韻系。</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><font size="3"><span lang="FR"><font face="Times New Roman">Lio2 pau1</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">之「</span><span lang="FR"><font face="Times New Roman">pau1</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">」是百越語詞,泉州話中</span><span lang="FR"><font face="Times New Roman">p</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">‘</span><span lang="FR"><font face="Times New Roman">au1</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">是柚子,東江侗話柚子亦說</span><span lang="FR"><font face="Times New Roman">p</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">‘</span><span lang="FR"><font face="Times New Roman">au1</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">,</span><span lang="FR"><font face="Times New Roman">p</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">‘</span><span lang="FR"><font face="Times New Roman">au1</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">跟</span><span lang="FR"><font face="Times New Roman">lio2 pau1</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">之「</span><span lang="FR"><font face="Times New Roman">pau1</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">」同原。柚子:福州</span><span lang="FR"><font face="Times New Roman">phau1</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">、建甌</span><span lang="FR"><font face="Times New Roman">phau1</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">,溫州</span><span lang="FR"><font face="Times New Roman">phз1</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">,侗語</span><span lang="FR"><font face="Times New Roman">paau1</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">。</span></font></p>

月夜僚人 发表于 2008-1-22 20:40:00

<p>我们柳州那柚子叫lwgbug(壮文)</p>

度莫 发表于 2008-1-23 09:37:00

makbangz

iunn5 发表于 2008-1-23 10:42:00

<span lang="FR" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-font-family: 新細明體; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: FR; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">lwgbug(</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: FR; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">壮文</span><span lang="FR" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-font-family: 新細明體; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: FR; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">)</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: FR; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">、</span><span lang="FR" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-font-family: 新細明體; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: FR; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">makbangz</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: FR; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">註明調頪,「</span><span lang="FR" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-font-family: 新細明體; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: FR; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">b</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: FR; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">」是不送气音?</span>

布楼 发表于 2008-1-23 10:56:00

<p>北壮大多数说<span lang="FR" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'mso-fareast-font-family:新細明體;mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:fr;mso-fareast-language:zh-tw;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;;">makbug或者</span>lwgbug</p><p>P和B我们分不清楚,<span lang="FR" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'mso-fareast-font-family:新細明體;mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:fr;mso-fareast-language:zh-tw;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;;">mak<font color="#f73809">B</font>ug</span>还是<span lang="FR" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'mso-fareast-font-family:新細明體;mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:fr;mso-fareast-language:zh-tw;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;;">mak<font color="#f73809">P</font>ug</span></p><p><span lang="FR" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'mso-fareast-font-family:新細明體;mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:fr;mso-fareast-language:zh-tw;mso-bidi-language:ar-sa;;">好像都对</span></p>

布楼 发表于 2008-1-23 11:02:00

<p>如果一一对应,Bug就是 柚。Mak是 果</p>

季人 发表于 2008-1-23 12:19:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>iunn5</i>在2008-1-23 10:42:00的发言:</b><br/><span lang="FR" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ansi-language: FR; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 新細明體; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt;">lwgbug(</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: FR; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt;">壮文</span><span lang="FR" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ansi-language: FR; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 新細明體; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt;">)</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: FR; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt;">、</span><span lang="FR" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ansi-language: FR; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 新細明體; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt;">makbangz</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: FR; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt;">註明調頪,「</span><span lang="FR" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ansi-language: FR; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 新細明體; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt;">b</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: FR; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt;">」是不送气音?</span></div><p>lwgbug中,g表示塞声韵中的低音组,调值为“中平”;</p><p>makbangz中,k表示塞声韵中的高音组,调值为“高平”;z表示舒声韵中第二调,调值为“低降”。</p><p>两个单词中的“b”不送气。</p>

红棉树 发表于 2008-1-23 13:04:00

<p>“柚子”北壮大多方言为makbug(lwgbug),南壮德靖土语为makbangz。</p><p>makbug 国际音标应为,makbangz 国际音标应为。其中的mak是“果”“水果”之意,bug或bangz就是“柚子”的名字。北壮某些地方的lwgbug,国际音标是,其中的lwg本意是“子”“子女”“孩子”,在这里如同汉语“柚子”的“子”。</p><p>季人贝侬说的“中平”“高平”,属于调值描述,而楼主咨询的是调类。因为各个方言土语同一个调类的调值必定不尽相同,所以如果不是做单个壮语方言土语的研究的话,最好都统一用调类标法。</p><p>以上提到的几个音素,mak的调类是阴入,bug的调类是阳入,bangz的调类是阳平,lwg的调类是阳入。 </p>
[此贴子已经被作者于2008-1-23 13:11:39编辑过]

iunn5 发表于 2008-1-23 15:03:00

<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><font size="3"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">多謝各位告知!</span><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US;"><p></p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><font size="3"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">尤其多謝壯語專家「紅棉樹」,每回我發帖在僚人家園,最盼望「紅棉樹」、</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">「沙南曼森」</span><span lang="FR"><font face="Times New Roman">2</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">位</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">壯語專家幫忙。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US;"><p></p></span></font></p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt;">最好都统一用调类标法,上邊由「紅棉樹」一闡明,一切豁然!</span>
[此贴子已经被作者于2008-1-23 15:05:52编辑过]

沙南 发表于 2008-1-23 17:02:00

<p>南宁市邕宁区壮语:</p><p>mak poeg 柚子</p><p>[注:此为沙南曼森的马甲在网吧发言]</p><p></p>

红棉树 发表于 2008-1-23 17:43:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>iunn5</i>在2008-1-23 15:03:00的发言:</b><br/><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><font size="2">多謝各位告知!</font></span><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US;"><p><font size="2"></font></p></span></p><p><font size="2"></font></p><p><font size="2"></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><font size="2"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">尤其多謝壯語專家「紅棉樹」,每回我發帖在僚人家園,最盼望「紅棉樹」、</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">「沙南曼森」</span><span lang="FR"><font face="Times New Roman">2</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">位</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">壯語專家幫忙。</span></font><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US;"><p><font size="2"></font></p></span></p><p><font size="2"></font></p><p><font size="2"></font></p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt;"><font size="2">最好都统一用调类标法,上邊由「紅棉樹」一闡明,一切豁然!</font></span><br/></div><p><font size="3">不客气。不过我离“壮语专家”的称号还太远了,不敢当,还是语言学和壮语研究的业余爱好级别,希望我提供的答案不要误导你就好了。</font></p>

好好瑟 发表于 2008-1-28 17:06:00

<p>是不是这个啊~~“柚子”只生产在桂北...桂南是很少的~~</p><p>这是产出桂北壮族乡高田镇的柚子...".makbug"!!</p><br/>

越色僚人 发表于 2008-1-28 19:12:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>好好瑟</i>在2008-1-28 17:06:00的发言:</b><br/><p>是不是这个啊~~“柚子”只生产在桂北...桂南是很少的~~</p><p>这是产出桂北壮族乡高田镇的柚子...".makbug"!!</p><br/></div><p></p><p><font size="3">说错了,桂南的柚子不但不少,而且很著名,广西最名牌的水果之一“沙田柚”,就是二百多年前在广西南部的容县沙田村最先种植,因此称做沙田柚。沙田柚有“天然罐头”、“水果珍品”的美誉。</font></p><p><font size="3">桂林市临桂县、阳朔县一带,土壤肥沃,排水良好,<strong>与容县沙田村的土质类似</strong>。种出的柚子无论形、色、香、味都和沙田村产品差不多,因此人们把临桂县、阳朔县一带产的柚子,也统称为“沙田柚”了。</font></p>
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