wenliqan 发表于 2008-1-19 18:36:00

[讨论]"广西壮族自治区成立50周年"应该这样翻译吧

<div class="t_msgfont" id="postmessage_354591">“广西壮族自治区成立50周年”这句话比较符合壮语的翻译应该是：dieg（地，地区） gaggaem（自抓，自治） bouxcuengh （布壮，壮族）Guengjsae （广西）baenzndaej （成得，成立）50 bopbi（周年）<br/>dieg gaggaem bouxcuneh Guengjsae baenzndaej 50 bopbi广西壮族自治区成立50周年</div>

粤西土著 发表于 2008-1-20 20:38:00

好象是的。但是我还不熟悉壮文，还是让熟悉壮文的贝侬来解释一下吧

Mfm1992 发表于 2008-1-21 11:02:00

<p>gaggaem（自抓，自治）--gagguenj(自管)不也很好吗</p><p>bopbi（周年）这个词好像是打错了吧?</p>

bohyae 发表于 2008-1-21 16:17:00

dieg gagguenj bouxcuengh Guengjsae laebbaenz 50 hopbi,最可怕的译文是：gvangjsih cangcuz swcigih cwngzliz 50 hopbi.

Honghlaj 发表于 2008-1-21 22:02:00

官方最有可能的译文是：Gvangjsih Bouxcuengh Swcigih laebbaenz 50 hopbi.

kk09 发表于 2008-3-18 11:09:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>Honghlaj</i>在2008-1-21 22:02:00的发言：</b><br/>官方最有可能的译文是：Gvangjsih Bouxcuengh Swcigih laebbaenz 50 hopbi.</div><p>恩，赞同</p>

白莲人氏 发表于 2008-4-27 16:16:00

我认为5楼所讲的可能性较大。

Vwnzyi 发表于 2008-5-2 08:24:00

<p>官方的译法就是如honghlaj所说那种，现在许多场合的翻译基本上都是汉语壮音了。</p><p>愚以为wenliqan此译民族味较浓，但bopbi应为hopbi。</p>

maklaeq 发表于 2008-5-4 12:22:00

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Honghlaj 发表于 2008-5-8 21:39:00

<p>"周年"译成“HOPBI"好像不符合壮语语法，要译成"BIHOP"才是。</p><p>"成立"译成"BAENZNDAEJ"也有问题，"BAENZ"多用于自然发生的事物，如"BAENZ BAEZ"，生疮。</p><p>“自治区”的“区”也不是“DIEG”就能表达的，其实壮语里有一个词“MIENGZ”可以表达从“城镇”到“国家”的概念，当然也可以表达一个行政区的概念，问题是，你敢用吗？</p><p>我们说某人已足50岁，是这样表达的：De rim 50 bi.而虚岁50，则说：De kaq 50.</p><p></p><p>Angqhoh Miengzgaggaem Bouxcuengh Guengjsae Rim 50 Bi!</p><p></p>

想家的人 发表于 2008-5-17 20:45:00

查了下壮汉词汇,在壮文推行初期的创新词汇中"自治区"是dieggagguenj.

刘敬柳民族情 发表于 2008-5-17 23:54:00

<p>Dieggagguenj的词义范围太广了，但是确实是个好词，它利用了壮语自己的“材料”创造新词，我怀念那时的业务水平和精神，并且现在还在学习。</p><p>要是现在我们的壮族语文还能如此重视这方面的工作，我们的工作人员还在意和负责地提高自己的业务水平，我们的壮族语文的生命力一定会旺盛起来的，因为她有自己造血的能力啊！</p><p>dieggagguenj---自治地方（分三级）</p><p>gihgagguenj(swcigih)--自治区</p><p>couhgagguenj(swcicouh)---自治州</p><p>yienhgagguenj(swciyen)---自治县</p><p></p><p>Gihgagguenj Bouxcuengh Guengjsae</p><p>Swcigih Bouxcuengh Guengjsae</p><p></p><p></p><p></p>

刘敬柳民族情 发表于 2008-5-18 00:11:00

<p>http://gx50daqing.gxi.gov.cn/index.htm</p><p></p><p>Haeuj aen camhmuengx bae yawjyawj, couh rox cwngfuj baihneix dwg baenzlawz hoiz lo!</p><p>进去广西壮族自治区大庆网看看就可见一斑了</p><p>不过我们还是很感谢大庆能使用壮文的！也还是感谢壮文工作人员的！</p>
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