山之凤 发表于 2007-9-11 14:41:00

“如果”贝侬《我本善良》壮文歌词

<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 22pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">Gu mij siengj hawj mwngz saem in<p></p></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt;"><p><font face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</font></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">Loeng ndij hingz, aen saem nwj mij ok.<p></p></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">Gu(gou) maij mwngz lij miz lij yungh?<p></p></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">Fungzfak nwj bae gyae, saem ndeb mwngz, mbouj miz yungh.<p></p></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">Ndeb ndij maij ,doh deng gu saem lai.<p></p></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">Soeng raeuz, daeuj caemh guk daix hix.<p></p></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">Lij hunz(vunz) ndaej baenz beuz, lij hunz dawz laj,<p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">Gaij swnj neix aen saem gu sen ngonz ndaej haen(raen).<p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><p>&nbsp;</p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">Gu mij siengj hawj mwngz saem in,<p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">Swnj ndei swnj nyag gag coq loengz(roengz) ndaw saem.<p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">Saem miz nyagnyuq, daengz ciuh gu gug mij ndiej.<p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">Ce de maij de baenz nyag baenz nya.<p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">Saem maij gvaq mwngz,<p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">Ce mij ndaej hawj mwngz in,<p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">Saem in saem nyab gag faenh lajndang.<p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">Miz ndaej baenz beuz gyouz cin nda byaij loengzbae.<p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">Hun(fwn) doek lumz(rumz) laux goj mij bae nwj,<p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">Cix maij de.</span></p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><p><strong><font size="4">我本善良</font></strong></p><p>输与赢,这颗心想不出<br/>我爱你有没有有用<br/>(心里)突然想(为)长远(考虑),我爱你,没有用<br/>想(你)和爱(你),都是我(自作)多情<br/>我俩同演一台戏<br/>有人犯了错有人承担<br/>这些事情我心里早看得清</p><p>我不想让你心痛<br/>好事坏事都压在自己心间<br/>(只要自己)心里不难过一辈子我都不会去理会(这些伤心事)<br/>任由它(在心里)生垃圾长草<br/>心(曾经)爱过你<br/>舍不得让你难过(心痛)<br/>痛苦难过都是自己的事情<br/>(自己)没有过错就继续走下去<br/>狂风暴雨也不去想<br/>任由它----</p></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt;"><p></p></span></p>

布楼 发表于 2007-9-11 18:34:00

<p>呵呵,好</p>

Honghlaj 发表于 2007-9-11 20:51:00

<p>我本人认为还是南盘之女的翻译较为贴切。</p><p>楼主的翻译起码在下面几个地方不妥:</p><p>1、标题中的mij应该是miz,下面第一句亦然。布依文的“miz”即壮文的“mbouj”。</p><p>2、第二句中的“lij”应为“lix”,布依文的“lix”即壮文的“miz”。</p><p>3、第三、第四句的ndeb应为ndiep。</p><p>4、第五句的“guk daix hix”应该是“gueg daiz hiq”吧。</p><p>5、第六句的“dawz laj”肯定不妥,南盘之女译的“dawzlap(dawzrap)”才能表示承担的意思。</p><p>6、第七、第九句的“swnj”应是错的,听声音也不是这样唱的,应该是“sienq”,即布依文的“sians”,相当于标准语的“saeh”。</p><p>以上看法仅供参考。</p>

布楼 发表于 2007-9-11 22:44:00

<p>偶不懂文字</p><p>第二句中的“lij”应为“lix”,布依文的“lix”即壮文的“miz”。</p><p>我们那里方言,“力”(读普通话音)也是“米”(读普通话音)“米”也是“力”,“力米”的意思是“还有”,也说“哈力米”</p><p></p><p>“力”还表示“活着”,相反意思是“台DAI”-死,“暗米”-没有(暗音不准确)</p><p></p>

山之凤 发表于 2007-9-12 22:54:00

<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 22pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">根据HONGHLAJ的意见,修改如下:</font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 22pt;"><font face="Times New Roman"></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 22pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">Gu mij siengj hawj mwngz saem in <p></p></font></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt;"><p><font face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</font></p></span></p><p><font face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</font></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">Loeng ndij hingz, aen saem nwj mij ok. <p></p></font></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">Gu(gou) maij mwngz liz mij liz yungh? <p></p></font></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">Fungzfak nwj bae gyae, saem ndiep mwngz, mbouj miz yungh. <p></p></font></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">Ndiep ndij maij ,doh deng gu saem lai. <p></p></font></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">Song laeuz, daeuj caemh gueg daiz hix. <p></p></font></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma;">Liz hunz(vunz) ndaej baenz beuz, liz hunz dawz lapj, <p></p></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma;">Gaij swenj neix aen saem gu sen ngonz ndaej haen(raen). <p></p></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma;"><p>&nbsp;</p></span></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma;">Gu mij siengj hawj mwngz saem in, <p></p></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma;">Swenj ndei swenj nyag gag coq loengz(roengz) ndaw saem. <p></p></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma;">Saem miz nyagnyuq, daengz ciuh gu gug mij ndiej. <p></p></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma;">Ce de maij de baenz nyag baenz nya. <p></p></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma;">Saem maij gvaq mwngz, <p></p></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma;">Ce mij ndaej hawj mwngz in, <p></p></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma;">Saem in saem nyab gag faenh lajndang. <p></p></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma;">Miz ndaej baenz beuz gyouz cin&nbsp;gag byaij loengzbae. <p></p></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma;">Hun(fwn) doek lumz(rumz) laux goj mij bae nwj, <p></p></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma;">Cix maij de.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma;"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma;">我认为桂边土语的“有”还应是“LIZ",“事”应是"SWENJ"。</span></p>

越色僚人 发表于 2007-9-14 00:01:00

看了相关的壮语方言材料,桂边土语的“有”应该是lix,和布依语一致。

山之凤 发表于 2007-9-14 13:01:00

“LIX”是“活着”之意,桂边土语的“有”可能也是它的本意。如是这样,“有”桂边土语就应写作“LIX”。

南盘之女 发表于 2007-9-14 14:25:00

<span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: black; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;"><p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">
                                                                <p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-pagination: widow-orphan;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">事实上,标准语标</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">j</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">调的在田林壮话中可能是</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">j</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">调也可能是</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">x</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">调。比如说</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">lix </font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">这个音,有“有”“活着”“还”的意思,也有念成“</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">lij</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">”的。但是不存在混淆,要么全是</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">lij</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">,要么全是</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">lix</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">。但标准语在记录“活着”的时候是</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">lix</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">,表示“还、还有”的时候是</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">lij</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">,所以在类推使用的时候就不知道该用什么表示了。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-pagination: widow-orphan;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">关于调值,我自己掌握得不好,有几个小问题想跟众贝侬探讨。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-pagination: widow-orphan;"><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #ff6600; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">Loeng</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"> ndij hingz, aen saem <span style="COLOR: #ff6600;">nwj</span></span></font><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #ff6600; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">(</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #ff6600; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><font face="Times New Roman">h</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">)</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><font face="Times New Roman"> mij ok. <p></p></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-pagination: widow-orphan;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><font face="Times New Roman">Loeng</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">表示错,没有输的意思,这里</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><font face="Times New Roman">loeng</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">应该为</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><font face="Times New Roman">lom</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">,与“松的,松动”的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><font face="Times New Roman">lom</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">同音。不知道标准语用什么来表示“输”,</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><font face="Times New Roman">lom</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">这个词显然没收录。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-pagination: widow-orphan;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><font face="Times New Roman">Song laeuz, daeuj caemh gueg daiz <span style="COLOR: #ff6600;">hix</span>. Hix</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">应为</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><font face="Times New Roman">heiq</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">(戏),田林方言</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><font face="Times New Roman">hiq</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">。<span lang="EN-US" style="COLOR: black;"><font face="Times New Roman">caemh gueg</font></span><span style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">(</span><span lang="EN-US" style="COLOR: black;"><font face="Times New Roman">guh</font></span><span style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">)</span><span lang="EN-US" style="COLOR: black;"><font face="Times New Roman"> daiz heiq </font></span><span style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">直译为:同演一台戏。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><p></p></span></span></p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><p></p></span><p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-pagination: widow-orphan;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><font face="Times New Roman">Liz hunz(vunz) ndaej baenz <span style="COLOR: #ff6600;">beuz</span>, liz hunz dawz <span style="COLOR: #ff6600;">lapj</span></font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #ff6600; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">(</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #ff6600; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><font face="Times New Roman">lap</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #ff6600; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">)</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-pagination: widow-orphan;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><font face="Times New Roman">Beuz</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">应为</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><font face="Times New Roman">beu</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">,说法和调值与标准语一致,意为“得罪;冒犯;做错事”</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-pagination: widow-orphan;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><font face="Times New Roman">Gaij<span style="COLOR: #ff6600;"> swenj</span></font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #ff6600; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">(</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #ff6600; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><font face="Times New Roman">q</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #ff6600; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">)</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><font face="Times New Roman">
                                                                                        <span lang="EN-US">neix aen saem gu <span style="COLOR: #ff6600;">sen</span></span></font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #ff6600; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">(</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #ff6600; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><font face="Times New Roman">q</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #ff6600; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">)</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><font face="Times New Roman"> ngonz ndaej haen(raen).<p></p></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-pagination: widow-orphan;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><font face="Times New Roman">Saem miz <span style="COLOR: #ff6600;">nyagnyuq</span>, <span style="COLOR: #ff6600;">daengz</span> ciuh gu gug mij ndiej.<p></p></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-pagination: widow-orphan;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><font face="Times New Roman">Nyagnyuq</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">对应标准语</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><font face="Times New Roman">yakyouq</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">,直译(难在),就是不好受的意思;田林方言为</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><font face="Times New Roman">qyakqyuq ,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">与</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><font face="Times New Roman">buxqyaix</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><font face="Times New Roman">qyaix</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">同声母。daengz在田林方言是</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><font face="Times New Roman">daengz </font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">没错,但标准语为</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><font face="Times New Roman">daengx</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-pagination: widow-orphan;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">我自己拼写的原则是,与标准语对照,同音不同调的,按标准语标调;同调不同音的,如果声母或韵母变化有规律的,如:</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><font face="Times New Roman">ou=&gt;u,ei=&gt;i </font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">等也按标准语标,如果实在对应不上只好自己拼写。</span>&nbsp;</p></span></span></span></span></p></span>&nbsp;</span>

布楼 发表于 2007-9-14 20:24:00

<p>南盘之女对桂边土语很有研究</p><p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><font face="Times New Roman">Loeng</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">表示错,没有输的意思,这里</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><font face="Times New Roman">loeng</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">应该为</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><font face="Times New Roman">lom</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">,与“松的,松动”的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><font face="Times New Roman">lom</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">同音。不知道标准语用什么来表示“输”,</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><font face="Times New Roman">lom</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">这个词显然没收录。</span></p><p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">我们家的方言,Loeng是“犯错、犯罪”,lom则是“松的,松动”,这是有区别的。不是故意的犯错-Loeng rua,得罪-<font face="Times New Roman">baenz <span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">beuz,关系破裂-baenz <span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><font face="Times New Roman">qyak</font></span></span></font></span></p><p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'times new roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">呵呵,看看偶也会了一点,就是不懂音调</span></span></font></span></p>

南盘之女 发表于 2007-9-14 20:56:00

<p>loeng 和lom肯定是有区别的。我的意思是,loeng只有“错”的意思,没有“输”的意思。</p><p>如果贝侬唱的“输”应该是lom。田林人说lom 的时候有两种意思,一是指“输”;二是指“松、松动”。</p><p>还是表达不清楚</p>

布楼 发表于 2007-9-14 21:48:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>南盘之女</i>在2007-9-14 20:56:00的发言:</b><br/><p>loeng 和lom肯定是有区别的。我的意思是,loeng只有“错”的意思,没有“输”的意思。</p><p>如果贝侬唱的“输”应该是lom。田林人说lom 的时候有两种意思,一是指“输”;二是指“松、松动”。</p><p>还是表达不清楚</p></div><p></p><p>偶家乡lom没有“输”的意思,只有“松的、松动”的意思,这就是地方方言的小小差别吧</p><p>loeng 也没有“输”的意思,leong倒是和英语wrong有点像,只是音调不同不带卷舌,呵呵</p><p>“输”和“书”一样,只是偶拼不出来</p>

红棉树 发表于 2007-9-15 02:29:00

我已经参照大家的意见修改了《北僚田林版&lt;我本善良&gt;》主帖的布依文,并增添了壮语标准语的记录,当然,修改并非完全依照所有的意见,最终结果仍然以“如果”贝侬提供的汉语直译歌词为准: <div class="listtitle"><a title="《北僚田林版《我本善良》“如果”翻唱作品》
作者:红棉树
发表于:2007-9-2 23:29:00
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山之凤 发表于 2007-9-17 08:43:00

我们家乡“输”念“sw”.
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